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Playoff Rotation Triage

The Brewers are not heading into the playoffs with a well rested and perfectly set up rotation. That ship sailed a while ago. What interim manager Dale Sveum is going to have to determine in the coming hours is exactly what he has left and what is the best way to deploy it for the series that starts in Philly on Wednesday.

So what's left?

  •  CC Sabathia has been a beast. An absolute stud. He's also pitched on short rest his last three starts, going over 100 pitches each time and over 120 on Sunday. I'm starting to think he's actually Superman, but even he had his Kryptonite. The temptation is going to be to try to make him available to pitch twice in the NLDS, but that would mean he would either have to pitch on 3 days rest before game #2 on Thursday or 2 days rest between game #3 and game #5 on Tuesday. There might not be any way to avoid that, however.
  •  Dave Bush has been the second most dependable starter since the CC acquisition, but has a 4.50 ERA in September. He's also had trouble on the road (5.14 ERA) and with the longball (29) and those things do not bode well for a start in Philadelphia.
  •  Jeff Suppan was aquired largely because he has a good track record in "big games" specifically in the postseason. But if Bush has struggled in September, Suppan has been downright awful with an 8.44 ERA and a HR just about every three innings pitched. They'll probably have to give him a shot at some point, but with a short leash.
  •  Yovani Gallardo being on the mound at all at this point is a miracle and it's generally not wise to push your luck too much with miracles. He's almost certainly a short start at this point, but the Brewers have some options to fill out the rest of a game he starts. He could be a powerful weapon for the Brewers for 3 to 5 innings to keep the Phillies at bay if they're willing to assume the risk.
  •  Manny Parra was struggling mightily in September and looked to be out of gas after back to back short outings against the Phillies and Reds. After a nice rest of seven days, he was able to pitch very effectively (4/0 K/BB and 1 hit) in 2 innings on Saturday versus the Cubs. He probably isn't going to start a game, but he certainly could be used after a short outing from someone else.
  •  Seth McClung has only 2 starts since the allstar break, but he is currently one of the few Brewer pitchers overpowering opponents on a regular basis. He could be used for a short start, to piggy back with Gallardo or Parra or even be used as a late inning reliever. At this point his ability to be flexible probably dictates that he be on call in the pen and not tied down to a set starting schedule.

There are a lot of possible ways to deploy these guys and none is a surefire path to success. Were Ned Yost still the manager, the veteran Jeff Suppan would probably be a solid bet to get the call in game #1.

Here is one man's humble opinion of what the rotation should be:

Wednesday: Yovani Gallardo (with Parra ready to pitch the middle innings)

Thursday: Jeff Suppan

Saturday: CC Sabathia 

Sunday: Dave Bush

Tuesday: Yovani Gallardo (with everyone else ready to go if needed)

 

Yes, this only gives CC one start, but the way he's been used I think it's best to give him the extra time to be fresh and be ready to go. If they rush him back on Thursday, there is a decent chance that his performance would suffer. I can't imagine a worse scenerio than CC not being effective and the team being down in a 0-2 hole heading back to Milwaukee without CC there to help in game #3 or #4.  Yes, there is big risk in running out Yo and Soup in Philly, but if they can scrape out a split the team is in prime position to take a big advantage after a CC start in game #3. Of course then anyone and everyone would be on deck for game #5 should they get there, and as the Cubs showed on Sunday you can keep a team off balance by switching pitchers often in a game.

Comments

 

soberholtzer said:

I couldn't disagree more with your rotation, Ryan.  Why is there so much concern about guys that pitch on 3 days rest with the best health care, nutrition, and workout programs available?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 4 man rotation was used all throughout baseball until the 1980s, in an age where baseball players didn't train as much, drank and smoked.

CC is a big, strong pitcher that has actually asked for the ball.  Clearly, he is not worried about pitching on three days rest.  We paid a big price for CC Sabathia not just to get us to the playoffs, but to ensure that he gets at least 2 starts in every playoff series.

Now, let's take this from a different angle.  Let's say the Brewers win game 1.  Throw CC on Thursday to get a 2-0 series lead, and hope that he gets a rest and won't have to pitch until next Wednesday against the Dodgers.

If the Brewers lose in game 1, can you really afford to go down 2-0 to the Phils?  You can't hope to get a split in Philly, you MUST get a split, and hope to get a sweep.  If the Brewers go down 2-0, and have CC pitching only one game, then the series is over.

Last point.  If you do only pitch CC once in the series, you have to insert Manny Parra into the lineup.  Throwing 4 right handers against a lineup of power lefties including Rollins, Utley, and Howard is suicide.

Just my opinion, but I think I'm right.  Don't you now agree :)

September 29, 2008 4:42 PM
 

Ryan Topp said:

Soberholtzer,

Well Dale has spoken and he's decided to roll the dice on CC for Thursday so we'll get to see if you were right to just trust the guy when he says he wants the ball.

It is true that pitchers went more often in the past, though the 1980's is a bit late for too many true 4 man rotations, I believe. Of course that was also before the power explosion of the late 1990's made it much tougher to get through big league lineups and made pitchers work harder to get outs. (there is also the Pay issue, but that isn't relevant here)

As for the Parra issue, I think you can fully expect to see him in at least a couple of games, number one almost certainly, to get through the Utley/Howard combo a time or two, so I'm not sure why it would be so bad that he not start. I do not agree that 4 starts by RHP would be a death sentence for the series at all.

I guess we'll get to see soon enough what comes of the decision to start CC on short rest. If he's great, I'll be sure to let you know how wrong I was.

September 29, 2008 10:29 PM
 

joe mayo said:

Ryan,

I'd have to agree with soberholtzer here.

I might have a slightly different opinion if CC was "ours" long term.  Or if Sheets hadn't come up lame again.  But he's the only healthy horse we got, so ride him as long as you can.

At this point, the only other starting options that inspire any confidence are Gallardo and Bush.  And both have BIG question marks.  

Granted, Gallardo against the Pirates (the unofficial 2008 Brewers MVP) looked sharp, every bit the future ace we all hope for.  But he's coming off major surgery, so yeah, short starts, and you can't expect more than 6-9 innings from him all series.

Bush?  He's sure had his moments of greatness this year.  But do you honestly trust him in this situation?  

The fact that these 2 guys are the "best" options after CC speaks to the importance of finding a way to make CC available for 2 starts this series.

Gallardo-Hamels

CC-Myers

And our Saturday game has got to be Bush - Moyer.

So we'll get one more shot at Old Man Soft Toss this year to see if we can actually be patient and slap singles the other way.  Because it takes A LOT to hit a 72 MPH fast ball out of the yard.

I have NO faith in Soup at this point, but he's got to be your Game 4 man.  If not, you might as well cut him in the off season and cut your losses.  You're paying this mediocre pitcher >$10MM per year precisely for this situation.  If he can't man up, or you're not willing to give him the ball once, then fire him.  

I agree on Parra, 2 or 3 appearances in relief against the lefty heavy line up.  Same thing with McClung.  Use this seemingly strong minded stud at least 2x.  If nothing else, an angry ginger kid should scare the Phils for one outing at least.

And I know this post has been rambling - but it's late and I've had the work laptop open for about 5 hours tonight so cut me a break.  One final thing on CC - - -

Would you rather have a Game 2 and 5 outing of 6-7 innings and 2-4 runs out of him each game, or just a Game 3 shut out win?

Because the former is a "down" performance for him.  And if our bats can't get it going in Philly to produce more than 4 runs, then we're not going very far anyways.

I vote for the latter…

-- Tim

September 29, 2008 11:42 PM
 

joe mayo said:

Correction.  The reality of staring at a computer screen for about 16 hours today must've crossed my eyes.  I obviously meant that I vote for the former.  The option that sends CC out there twice.  Sorry about that.  -- Tim

September 29, 2008 11:49 PM
 

Ryan Topp said:

Mayo...

I get the points you make and I get it, especially the part about his not being our problem after this year. I don't want to take that too far and get crazy with him, but we don't have to worry about the long term.

Time is going to tell if bringing him back on short rest for the 4th straight start was the right call. I hope like hell it is. I just have some serious doubts that it is the best way to get to 3 wins before the Phillies do.

Nothing left to do now but wait and hope. Or pray, I guess, if you swing that way....

Thanks for the response, BTW. You post on the JS or SB a bunch?

September 30, 2008 1:23 AM
 

joe mayo said:

rarely on JS - usually just idiots there.  Although, sometimes late night if I've had  few I get drawn into some of the idiots banter.  But I follow you guys here at Green Pillars.  Smart posts are few and far between, and even if I disagree with you or Badger80, your posts are always intelligent so I'll respond occasionally and always read.

October 8, 2008 9:47 PM

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