Charlie Villanueva, Ben Gordon are Detroit Pistons... Ersan Ilyasova VIDEO and bandwagon

Charlie averaged 16.7 ppg and 6.7 rpg in his last season as a Buck.AP is reporting that Chuck-It Charlie Villanueva will become a Piston, and has agreed to a 5-year, $35 million contract, Journal Sentinel is reporting. So, that sentence should be interpreted as follows:  The Bob Boozer Jinx says that the Journal Sentinel says that Charlie will be a Pistion next season and agreed to a deal sometime today (Wednesday). Just a couple of hours ago.

Charlie joins free agent shooting guard Ben Gordon in Detroit. Gordon earlier today agreed to a 5-year, $55 mill contract to become a Piston.

In Detroit, the fans are wondering whether they're still the Pistons or the UConn Huskies (Gordon, Villanueva and holdover Pistons guard Rip Hamilton played at UConn).  

It's interesting that, in Chicago, $11 million was considered too much to pay for Gordon, considering some of the ridiculously inflated 2-guard salaries out there. But Bulls fans have griped over the last year or so that Gordon's running mate, Kirk Hinrich, is overpaid. Hinrich signed a $10 million per year contract extension in 2007, about the same dough the Bulls offered Gordon. It seems as much as they liked Hinrich and Gordon in Chicago, it was understood that they were not good enough to get the team to the upper echelon of the East. ... Derrick Rose, Derrick Rose, Derrick Rose.

As for Charlie, $35 million at $7 mill per year would NOT have been money well spent by the Bucks. It is, however, about market rate for productive, improving young big forwards -- believe it or not Bucks fans. Charlie gets nearly $1 million more than the Cleveland's Anderson Varejao ($6.2 mill 2009-10) plays for, and Varejao had to hold out into December of 2007-08 season to get his. (Varejao this week opted out of his final year in Cleveland, looking for raise).

Unfortunately for the Pistons (not the Bucks, thankfully) there isn't anything Chuck-It Charlie does better than Varejao except chuck up shots.

There are, on the other hand, far worse contracts in the NBA than Charlie's pending deal with the Pistons. The Bucks will pay Dan Gadzuric $6.7+ mill next season, part of the reason why the Bucks couldn't afford to keep Charlie around even if they had wanted to. They didn't want to, and never tendered to him a qualifying offer.

Charlie had his best season as a pro in 2008-09, averaging 16.2 ppg and 6.7 boards, missing only 4 games and both starting (41 games) and coming off of Scott Skiles' bench. Unfortunately, as a "best pro season" it really wasn't all that good or good enough. Charlie's all-around play and shooting died down the stretch as the Bucks stumbled out of a playoffs spot. It was sadly predictable.

But let's wish Charlie well in Detroit, where, pending the resigning of Rasheed Wallace, the Pistons will have two big men out by the 3-point line, chucking away while their new sharpshooting guard, Gordon, wonders what the #@#! is going on. I just can't see Sheed staying long in the paint to watch Charlie shoot bricks from downtown. Seems to me the Pistons next season will need a more consistent Sheed than ever before.

Ersan and the Bucks new frontcourt ... Meanwhile, we can look forward to the return to the Bucks frontcourt of Ersan Ilyasova, currently in negotiations with the Bucks. The more I look at what I've dug up so far on Ersan from last season in Barcelona, the more I like the promise of the Bucks young frontcourt -- Andrew Bogut, Amir Johnson, Ersan and Luc Mbah a Moute ... Bogut, still only 24, would be the senior member ... But enough out of me -- enjoy some more Ersan video ...

Here he is winning MVP honors in game 5 of the Euroleague quarterfinals, the game that launched FC Barcelona (Barca) into the Euroleague final four (they finished 3rd).

Ersan had 18 points, 11 boards in that game.  His jumper looks great, more consistent than Charlie's -- and he's a much better 3-baller. Better shooting is just what the inconsistent and chucking Bucks need to be more complete in the frontcourt, assuming that Bogut and 6'9" Amir Johnson will be doing most of the banging. I'm on the Ersan bandwagon. Here's another good-shooting reel:

And here's the Euroleague October "player of the month" vid, in case you missed it in yesterday's post.

Comments

 

Dan said:

Yay, the Ersan bandwagon! I thought there was some story about his age being under question and him coming from Uzbekistan, but his NBA.com profile has him Turkish-born, and they can't make mistakes...

Seriously, if he can defend inside, he might be an option at PF. Here's hoping he and Amir, his fellow Muslim ;-), can be a fierce two-headed answer there this season. Really, could they be more different? I like it.  

July 2, 2009 12:20 PM
 

J.D. Mo said:

I think Ersan actually is from Uzbekistan and may be a little older than advertised. But the way that worked out is --- officially, and according to the Int. Olympic Committee, he is NOT that guy from Uzbekistan. He's Turkish-born and a member of the Turkish Olympic squad.

July 2, 2009 3:54 PM
 

Dan said:

Everywhere he's listed as being born in Eskisehir, Turkey. And the NBA site has all this stuff about how much he likes traditional Turkish food, etc. But Ilyasova sure doesn't sound like a Turkish name...

But even if he's a 25-yr-old Uzbek, I still think it's worth the Bucks bringing him in.

July 2, 2009 4:47 PM
 

Dan said:

Another thing I found while looking for more on the Ilyasova/Ilyasov thing is this blog on his time at Barca: www.in-the-game.org

This guy brings up the point that Ersan was struggling playing the 3, and only turned the corner when he went to the 4. While that may not mean he can play it in the NBA, I wanna see that as a sign he's meant to be the Bucks answer at the PF spot. I just do.  

July 2, 2009 5:24 PM
 

J.D. Mo said:

Ersan's certainly not the banger the Bucks need at PF to help Bogut anchor the D and crash the boards. But Amir Johnson and Luc Mbah a Moute should fill those roles, freeing Ersan up to help the guards stretch defenses. On paper -- and as Dan points out -- Amir and Ersan look very complementary. I'm no big fan of the RJ trade for many reasons, but so far this summer, the Bucks are in great shape to upgrade at power forward.

Given the Jinx from which this blog derives its name, however ...  it's probably a good idea to knock on wood.

July 3, 2009 3:21 PM
 

Dan said:

Ah, yes, the jinx. Sorry, The Jinx. Not to split hairs, but didn't Terry Cummings play at power forward? In the late '80s? He was an all-star and probably their best player, tho of course no rings. But is that jinxed?

July 3, 2009 4:32 PM
 

J.D. Mo said:

TC played some PF but he primarily ran Marques Johnson's sets in Nellie's offense, and guarded both small and big forwards (Doc and later Barkley). He was definitely more of a PF than Marques, but still not the kind of banger the contending teams had in the 1980s.

Remember, the Bucks went out and acquired Larry Krystowiak to man up with bigs like McHale and Rich Mahorn.  Sikma-Krystowiak-Cummings was the starting frontline on the Bucks last solid team of the 1980's, which fell apart in a heap of injuries (to both Cummings and Krystowiak) against the Pistons in the 1989 playoffs.

July 3, 2009 5:37 PM
 

J.D. Mo said:

And yes, most definitely jinxed. Krystowiak practically had his arm ripped off vs. the Pistons.

July 3, 2009 5:38 PM
 

Dan said:

Remember it too well. Bill Laimbeer pushed him from behind as he went down the lane for an uncontested dunk, Krystowiak landed badly and screwed up his knee. Took him over a season to come back, iirc, and he was never the same after that.

I thought TC was a 3 too, but I was watching some of their playoff game vs the Celts on Youtube, and it was when Pressey was "point forward" and they still had Moncrief and even John Lucas later. But I'd have to check  on that...

July 4, 2009 9:31 AM

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