What has happen to him I know he had surgery 2 years ago, is he a complete bust.  I see alot of you havent' even put him in your top 10 of prospects.

I think you mean Mark Rogers. I was wondering the same thing.

I heard he was working at extended spring training in Arizona.  I think he will be sent Brevard County in early May.

Mark is in extended spring.  The reason he isn't in many top tens is partially for the injury and partially for his lack of success. 

Players passed on when drafting Mark Rogers:

1. Jeremy Sowers
2. Homer Bailey
3. Jered Weaver
4. Billy Butler
5. Steven Drew
6. Josh Fields
7. Glen Perkens
8. Phil Hughes
9. Taylor Tankersly

http://www.mymlbdraft.com/2004/

However, we drafted Yovani in the second round that year, if I remember correctly.  Therefore you could make a list of all of the teams, (all of them, and some twice) that passed on Yovani.   Yovani is the best pitcher on that list so far, and it could be argued he is the best player. 

 Also, Stephen Drew and Jared Weaver shouldn't even be counted because they were never considered by the brewers.  Both of them were top 5 talents that had Boras for an agent and weren't going to sign unless they got a huge contract, and at the time the brewers didn't have the means to pay over slot value, and really they probably still don't have the means to do that as it is too risky.   

So you would rather have Mark Rogers than Phil Hughes? You would ranther have Mark Rogers than Jered Weaver? I'm talking pure skill here. You think that Mark Rogers at his cheap contract is more of a value than Jered Weaver at his mid-level deal? I think you need to have your head looked over for a few bumps or a concussion or two.

 Jered Weaver+Contract>Phil Huges>Mark Rogers+Saving money

I wonder what would have happened to him if we hadn't forced a guy that threw 95+ to change his throwing motion and then promptly got hurt.  I think it was less the pick and more the instruction that fu*ked that one up.

CheapSeats440:

So you would rather have Mark Rogers than Phil Hughes? You would ranther have Mark Rogers than Jered Weaver? I'm talking pure skill here. You think that Mark Rogers at his cheap contract is more of a value than Jered Weaver at his mid-level deal? I think you need to have your head looked over for a few bumps or a concussion or two.

 Jered Weaver+Contract>Phil Huges>Mark Rogers+Saving money

Where did I say I would rather have him.  I said the logic isn't complete.  I said I would rather have Yovanni than any of them, and I was merely pointing out the fact that there were other variables in the pick than just the players and their names.  And it doesn't really matter what I think because it isn't the way the brewers operate.  They aren't going to spend a lot of money on a draft pick because he is projected to do well. 

 Also, Jared Weaver is 25 and Mark Rogers is 22 so Rogers really isn't that far behind Weavers pace of making the big leagues, as far as age level.  If he can come back healthy he has a chance to be in the big leagues at a young age and still be productive for the brewers. 

 I just want you to understand all of the facts, and saying I need to have my head checked is a worthless arguement.

Boras clients often times do demand over slot money to sign, premium ones nearly always do. But the decision of whether or not to go over slot for them isn't simply a money one. MLB does a lot to put pressure on owners to keep them from doing this. Because they can't enforce an actual cap (the Union simply would not accept it and if they tried, they might end up in court and the whole draft could end up declared illegal) they have to try to brow beat owners into accepting it.

Personally, I wish the Brewers would ignore MLB and go after the best talent. In the past, few teams have been willing to blatantly and repeatedly flaunt the system (Tigers, Yanks, Sox, Angels come right to mind) but word is that many teams may do so this spring. We'll have to see how that plays out, but I hope the slotting system goes the way of all flesh, but I'm not optomisitic.

I would rather the Brewers didn't take Rogers and took someone else on that list (not all of them, but some) but I also understand that the same process that led them to draft him led them to Yo, so I'm not going to get too upset about that decision. Drafting premuim pitching is Jack Z's biggest foible and I hope that is already turning around. All in all, I'm ok with how he's done, so I'll sorta give a pass on this one.

Come on now. Come on. Are you telling me you would rather have Mark Rogers than Jered Weaver because we stumbled upon Yovanni? You would rather have the Rogers/Gallardo combo than the Weaver/Gallardo combo? They might not spend money on a prospect because he has a very high ceiling, but they should. Mark Rogers has mechanics problems, and now whey we try and switch that around, he hurts himself. Mark Rogers is a bust, and trying to take the "sleepers" that early in the draft wont work. Who else does that? Who else takes the "Yovanni Gallardos"? The Pirates. Look at the Pittsburgh Pirates. They took what they thought were the Yovanni Gallardos of their past 4 or 5 drafts, and look where they got:

1. Clint Johnston
2. Bobby Bradley
3. Sean Burnet
4. John Van Benschoten
5. Brian Bullington
6. Paul Maholm
7. Neil Walker
8. Brad Lincoln
9. Brian Bixler
10. Blair Johnson

As you can see, avoiding the high-celing, high price tag prospects has gotten the Pirates a stocked farmsystem, right? Taking Mark Rogers over Jered Weaver is and will remain a horrible decision until Rogers out-produces Weaver's carrer marks of 26-13, 3.46 in the AL. Whats that rule again? Take away a run of ERA for the NL? Theoretically, Jered Weaver's numbers, if drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers, would be in the neighborhood of 30-10, 2.46 in relation to Rogers' 0-0 -.--.

Weaver>Rogers
Rogers over Weaver because of contract or skill level is bone headed, no matter how you look at it.

I will say it again...I am not arguing that the Brewers made the correct pick, especially looking at it now.  However, I don't think it was such a horrible pick, and the draft isn't as cut and dry as you are trying to make it.  Hindsight is 20/20, it is easy to say now that you would rather have Weaver, but at the time of the draft I don't think it was a horrible pick.  Rogers would have been a top 20 pick that year for sure, and probably a top 15 pick even if the Brewers didn't take him, so they were not trying to pick a sleeper in the first round as you suggest.  There were other options that may have been safer, but there is no crystal ball to tell you which guy is going to get hurt and which one is going to be the next dominant pitcher.  Rogers had Ben Sheets type stuff, Weaver didn't and still doesn't.  Weaver is more experienced and understand how to pitch better than Rogers, but he will never be a dominant pitcher.  He has put up great stats, and he may continue to do this, but he isn't the type of power pitcher that teams seem to need for a successful playoff run.   

Roger had and still has the same ceiling of Jared Weaver, and it was probably a higher cieling at the time of the draft.  That arguement doesn't make any sense at all.  Weaver was considered a polished college pitcher who would be a 2-3 guy in a rotation at the time of the draft.  Rogers threw in the mid 90s and was considered a future number 1.  The reason weaver would have been picked ahead of Rogers was that he would be Major League ready sooner and because high school pitchers flame out many times because of injuries, and never reach their full potential. 

CheapSeats440:

Come on now. Come on. Are you telling me you would rather have Mark Rogers than Jered Weaver because we stumbled upon Yovanni? You would rather have the Rogers/Gallardo combo than the Weaver/Gallardo combo? They might not spend money on a prospect because he has a very high ceiling, but they should. Mark Rogers has mechanics problems, and now whey we try and switch that around, he hurts himself. Mark Rogers is a bust, and trying to take the "sleepers" that early in the draft wont work. Who else does that? Who else takes the "Yovanni Gallardos"? The Pirates. Look at the Pittsburgh Pirates. They took what they thought were the Yovanni Gallardos of their past 4 or 5 drafts, and look where they got:

1. Clint Johnston
2. Bobby Bradley
3. Sean Burnet
4. John Van Benschoten
5. Brian Bullington
6. Paul Maholm
7. Neil Walker
8. Brad Lincoln
9. Brian Bixler
10. Blair Johnson

As you can see, avoiding the high-celing, high price tag prospects has gotten the Pirates a stocked farmsystem, right? Taking Mark Rogers over Jered Weaver is and will remain a horrible decision until Rogers out-produces Weaver's carrer marks of 26-13, 3.46 in the AL. Whats that rule again? Take away a run of ERA for the NL? Theoretically, Jered Weaver's numbers, if drafted by the Milwaukee Brewers, would be in the neighborhood of 30-10, 2.46 in relation to Rogers' 0-0 -.--.

Weaver>Rogers
Rogers over Weaver because of contract or skill level is bone headed, no matter how you look at it.

Einsteinhood:

I'm going to assume this wasn't addressed to me, because it wasn't at all responsive to what I actually wrote.

It wasn't.

TrueBrew:

Rogers had Ben Sheets type stuff, Weaver didn't and still doesn't. 

 

You make me laugh. That is the hardest I've laughed since someone called him "Dave Bushes" or something to that effect. How can you tell me that a player who has made only 19 starts in the minor leagues, winning only one of them, has Ben Sheets' stuff? Sure, I'll give you his K/BB ratio, but he isnt exactly facing the Albert Pujols' of the baseball universe. Plus he still hasnt pitched in 08. ETA for Milwaukee: 2011? 2010?

TrueBrew:

That arguement doesn't make any sense at all. 

Tell me with a straight face that my argument makes no sense. Tell me that you honestly believe the Brewers are better off for drafting Mark Rogers. If there is no crystal ball, then why did Boras know to push Weaver? If there is no way at all to know how a pitcher will do, then why doesnt Scott Boras just put all the names in a hat and pull a few out? Do you honestly think that as of today the Brewers are better off for drafting Rogers?

you are just wasting my time now.  If you actually read what I write it would make sense to your.  I said Rogers had Ben Sheets TYPE stuff.  Nowhere did I write that he is a better pitcher than Sheets or Weaver.  I was responding to your uniformed suggestion that Weaver had a higher ceiling than Rogers, that simply is not true and usually isn't true of a college pitcher compared to a High School pitcher.  I would rather the Brewers draft more college arms because the return is usually faster even if most of the time those pitchers will never be a dominant ace they usually are very good number 2 to 3 starters.  The point is that the Brewers were not drafting Rogers just because he cost less money, they were drafting him because he had a high ceiling and the POTENTIAL to be a dominant starter in the majors.  It hasn't worked out like I said before looking at it right now they would have been better off with someone else.  But hindsight is always 20/20, and it isn't like mark is out of the game.  He is three years younger than weaver so he still has time to catch up to weaver.  I don't know if he will, and no one else knows if he will ever make it either. 

Don't be so niave about the draft either.  Go look at the angels first round draft picks for the last ten years and tell me how many didn't make it to the majors or weren't very productive.  There is no crystal ball.  You can project and that is what every team does, and yes college pitchers are usually a safer bet to make it to the majors but they also have more wear on their arms from pitching a ton of innings in college.  No team has a 100% success rate when they draft players, arguing anything else shows your ignorance. 

Boras doesn't get every player either.  The guys that he represents usually get more money because Boras is great at what he does.  He represents guys that he thinks will bring him a big ROI, and many times the great players realize they can get more money by going with him.  Him picking a few names is a stupid arguement.  He projects the same as the teams do and if he believes a guy is a top 5 pick he will try everything possible to get that money for his player no matter where they are drafted. 

 I will sum up my arguements for you because you can't seem to read all of the post anways.

1.  Weaver looks better right now, I don't argue that.

2.  The draft isn't a total science and no teams makes all of the right picks. 

3.  Rogers is younger and still has a chance to succeed.