TT may not have drafted a star however it's still too soon to fully asses even the 2005 draft.  AR may be a pro bowl QB but there's no way we'd know yet as he hasn't been given the chance to show it.  One might say if he was good enough he'd have got in the team already, but that's crazy talk.  The QB position was not an open competition with Brett in place.

As the Giants proved this year it's not about how many stars you have.  Winning teams just need good players in key positions.

However I feel drafting a WR in the 7th round is madness when we needed more help in the secondary.
 

British:

TT may not have drafted a star however it's still too soon to fully asses even the 2005 draft

AbeFroman:

Brewer Invasion:

Let's look at net results of the trade by draft position

Trade 1 .... Trade 30........ .........for 36 and 113

Trade 2....  Trade 113 and 162 ........for 102

 Net Result .... for a 30, 113, and a 162 ........ we received a 36 and a 102   ( traded 3 for 2)

 

Trade 3 ... Trade 128 .......for 137 and 217

Trade 4... Trade 137........ for 150 and 209

 Net Result... for a 128 and 137........ we receive a 150, 209, and 217    (trade 2 for 3)

 

Again, I don't see the added depth, nor do I see an improvement in draft position.  Am I looking at this wrongly?  I certainly have faith in TT, but these trades don't add up to draft board improvement when you look at net results.   Certainly when you put a name and player to the # it may make more sense???

You are just looking at numbers..... GMs will trade down if there isn't anybody they think is worth the pick or will trade up if they see somebody slipping that would be a good value.  You can't just start calculating it based on draft position without knowing the situations behind the individual decisions.

Abe is so right-on that he is like Rush Limbaugh on Viagra*

Judging from the post-draft interviews, TT obviously targets specific individuals and is willing to do what he thinks is necessary to get them.  See interviews with Jermichael Finley, Jeremy Thompson and Josh Sitton.  It would be interesting to know which other individuals were on TT's target list and were either passed up or taken by other teams.  I would love to know if Jordy Nelson was Plan A for the 2nd round, or if TT gambled on trading down and still getting Brandon Flowers. 

*right wing + hard on = right on :-) 

ptisme:

British:

TT may not have drafted a star however it's still too soon to fully asses even the 2005 draft

British, I think you meant assess there:)

Impressive quality control.  Most message boards display dire spelling and grammar, I look forward to some high calibre conversation on here.

As for asses, that's just how we spell it over here ;-)

 

Jennings is not a star yet.  A star WR will get you more than 70 catches and over 1000 yards.  He's on the brink but he hasn't done it yet and for more than 1 year.  And I agree with the Giants statement to a degree.  Michael Strahan is a star, Eli Manning is now a star, Plaxico Burress is a star, Jeremy Shockey although injured alot puts up far better numbers than any of our TE's. All those players are difference makers.  The only person on our team that is close to a difference maker now is Driver and that's now questionable with Favre gone. 

badgerpharm:

Jennings is not a star yet.  A star WR will get you more than 70 catches and over 1000 yards.  He's on the brink but he hasn't done it yet and for more than 1 year.  And I agree with the Giants statement to a degree.  Michael Strahan is a star, Eli Manning is now a star, Plaxico Burress is a star, Jeremy Shockey although injured alot puts up far better numbers than any of our TE's. All those players are difference makers.  The only person on our team that is close to a difference maker now is Driver and that's now questionable with Favre gone. 

Not true. Shockey's numbers the last few years are only slightly better than Donald Lee's numbers last year. Kampman has put up better numbers than Strahan the last 2 years (I'd definitely consider Kampman a star). Some would argue Nick Barnett is a star (I'm torn). I'll disagree that Manning is a star. He put together a nice playoff run, but considering he doesn't have a season with a QB rating of even 78 yet, I'm not going to proclaim him a star yet. If you say Jennings has to do it for more than 1 year (and I agree), then Manning needs to do it for at least 1 full year. I know everyone loves Manning now that the Giants won the Super Bowl, but there's a real chance he just played 4 decent games in a row (plus he wouldn't even be in this conversation had asante Samuel not dropped the easy INT) and is still just a mediocre starting QB that throws more than 1 INT a game and struggles to complete 57% of his passes. 

Ted does what he knows - pick high character guys and don't overpay in free agency. he keeps it simple. He's never going to be a dynamic GM and wont be the best GM. He is like Wisconsin - conservative, bland, safe, and boring.

He will trade down because he plays the %-the more cracks at it the better your chaces of guessing right.

Don't get burnt in free agency-although he may have to rethink this one as there will be no cap pretty soon.

Carmichael17:

Don't get burnt in free agency-although he may have to rethink this one as there will be no cap pretty soon.

Even more reason to be cautous in FA, think about the money that will get thrown around, much of it wasted at each new crop of free agents. 

What will Dan Snyder vs. Jerry Jones look like in an uncapped free agency world, these two rich pr*cks would spend more than the packers franchise is worth on mediocre talent.  I like TT's approach of building within.  Also, I heard that if uncapped free agency takes over the teams control their draft picks for 6 years, not 4 like it is now so TT's approach to the draft works even better.

largetree:

Carmichael17:

Don't get burnt in free agency-although he may have to rethink this one as there will be no cap pretty soon.

Even more reason to be cautous in FA, think about the money that will get thrown around, much of it wasted at each new crop of free agents. 

What will Dan Snyder vs. Jerry Jones look like in an uncapped free agency world, these two rich pr*cks would spend more than the packers franchise is worth on mediocre talent.  I like TT's approach of building within.  Also, I heard that if uncapped free agency takes over the teams control their draft picks for 6 years, not 4 like it is now so TT's approach to the draft works even better.

No cap is a disaster for the players, once you start to read all the rules behind it. Teams get more control of rookies, they get more franchise/transition tags, and the top 4 teams in the league have severe restrictions on their ability to sign free agents (I don't remember the exact details, but no team in the top 4 would be able to sign an impact free agent).  There will be a deal before 2010, guaranteed.

Edit: Here is the part about free agency " During the uncapped year, the eight clubs that make the divisional playoffs in the previous season have additional restrictions that limit their ability to sign Unrestricted Free Agents from other clubs.  In general, the four clubs participating in the Championship Games are limited in the number of free agents that they may sign; the limit is determined by the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs.  For the four clubs that lose in the Divisional playoffs, in addition to having the ability to sign free agents based on the number of their own free agents signing with other clubs, they may also sign players based on specific financial parameters."

In addition the minimum salary doesn't rise as quickly (meaning draft picks after the 1st round will lose even more money than they would with just the altered free agency rules).  

Get your math right. The net result of the first two trades were a 2-for-2. The Pack gives up 30 and 162 and gets 36 and 102. Secondly, why fret right now? It remains to be seen how these draft picks will pan out. It doesn't matter when you pick'em - it just matters that you pick 'em and TT has shown he is a good evaluator of talent.