Sounds like he is a rodent.... Tyler Community College have any more big-time recruits coming down the pipeline?

I can't stress how bad it will be for our program if Wilson doesn't end up here (UW doesn't have another scholarship available at this point until 2011).... it is going to look really bad.  Flavian Davis and even Maymon need to be priorities also.... we can not afford to become completely irrelevant recruiting in our own state.  

Tyler Community College may not have any more "big time recruits coming down the pipeline," but Cypress Springs High School has a dandy in Erik Williams, a 6-7 wing player who has given Buzz Williams a verbal commitment to play at Marquette. Williams is ranked No. 44 in the class of 2009 nationally by Scout.com.

Jamil Wilson is a national recruit ... a truly terrific prospect. However, I've spoken to at least two college coaches (not from MU or Indiana) who believe Williams is Wilson's equal and may have an even bigger upside. Others believe Jamil is the better prospect. Both would be great at Marquette, but if Jamil opts to go elsewhere it is not "going to look really bad." Kids make decisions for a lot of different reasons. If one high school player from Racine opts to play college basketball at a school other than Marquette, the program will survive.

Jeronne Maymon is definitely a priority for Marquette. Flavien Davis has had a difficult spring and needs to show more consistency and substance to his game before he becomes a recruiting priority for a program like Marquette.

MarkMiller:

Tyler Community College may not have any more "big time recruits coming down the pipeline," but Cypress Springs High School has a dandy in Erik Williams, a 6-7 wing player who has given Buzz Williams a verbal commitment to play at Marquette. Williams is ranked No. 44 in the class of 2009 nationally by Scout.com.

Jamil Wilson is a national recruit ... a truly terrific prospect. However, I've spoken to at least two college coaches (not from MU or Indiana) who believe Williams is Wilson's equal and may have an even bigger upside. Others believe Jamil is the better prospect. Both would be great at Marquette, but if Jamil opts to go elsewhere it is not "going to look really bad." Kids make decisions for a lot of different reasons. If one high school player from Racine opts to play college basketball at a school other than Marquette, the program will survive.

Jeronne Maymon is definitely a priority for Marquette. Flavien Davis has had a difficult spring and needs to show more consistency and substance to his game before he becomes a recruiting priority for a program like Marquette.

Where do you think out program we be if we secure one top 75 or so recruit (44 by Scout, 92 by Rivals) every three years and consistently continue to miss out on Wisconsin kids (Wes being the only contributer from WI since 2003)?  This isn't even broaching the topic that it has been years since we've seen a live body over 6'-6".  Our ceiling is very limited unless those trends are reversed.... there is no way to sugar-coat that.

I thought I read somewhere that Maymon was looking to go out of state more.  I think he mentioned going to an SEC school, but I don't remember where I read this.

Ah, yes... the SEC.... where the ability to read is not a prerequisite.

Typical Abe BS. Who cares where the players come from? If they win and stay out of trouble, fans will be happy. MU isn't a state school. They don't need to recruit in-state to make the boosters happy. There's far more talent in Texas, Chicago and the east coast than in Wisconsin. If MU can continue to recruit those areas, they'll be much better off.

Milkman:

Typical Abe BS. Who cares where the players come from? If they win and stay out of trouble, fans will be happy. MU isn't a state school. They don't need to recruit in-state to make the boosters happy. There's far more talent in Texas, Chicago and the east coast than in Wisconsin. If MU can continue to recruit those areas, they'll be much better off.

Yeah... it got us ONE whole NCAA win and ZERO titles in the past 5 years.... and the future looks really bright (note: sarcasm).

I agree that there is more talent in Texas, the EC, and Chicago.... but we don't get it nearly enough of it to make up for getting beat like a red-headed stepchild in our own backyard by Bo Ryan.  Sorry, that is the reality of the situation.

We'll have another top 6 BE finish and early NCAA flame-out this year and then you are going to see a sharp decline, because the talent well (the little that we've had) has dried up.  Sure, we'll beat a few good teams every season regardless... just like almost every team does.... I guess that is enough to keep the boosters/fans happy.

AbeFroman:

We'll have another top 6 BE finish and early NCAA flame-out this year and then you are going to see a sharp decline, because the talent well (the little that we've had) has dried up.  Sure, we'll beat a few good teams every season regardless... just like almost every team does.... I guess that is enough to keep the boosters/fans happy.

I agree that NCAA tournament has been disappointing, and something must be done about that, but your assessment that Marquette hasn't had the talent is incorrect.  Since Marquette has joined the Big East, only 5 teams have won either the regular season or conference tournament.  Only one team has won anything more than once (Georgetown). 

"Sure, we'll beat a few good teams every season regardless"

This is pretty absurd.  Only TWO teams have finished in the top six in the BE every year since Marquette has joined - Georgetown and...MARQUETTE.  Apparently Marquette doesn't just beat a few good teams every year like every other team, or it wouldn't be able to claim this distinction.  Are you now claiming that UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, and Louisville don't have the talent?  You can argue that those teams have done better in the tournament, but that doesn't necessarily show talent, it shows that those teams have talent, and other things. 

I didn't realize that Eau Claire was in Marquette's "backyard". I'll bet Minnesota gets a lot more coverage there than MU. 

If Anderson is as good as the last 5 star big man from Wisconsin we won't be seeing him on the court until 2011. Interesting that one of his reasons for wanting to attend UW is that he is sure that Ryan will be there for his entire college career. If he redshirts like Butch did, that would mean Ryan will still be coaching UW at age 67. By then he might actually have won a game against a top 10 NCAA seed.

AbeFroman:

Milkman:

Typical Abe BS. Who cares where the players come from? If they win and stay out of trouble, fans will be happy. MU isn't a state school. They don't need to recruit in-state to make the boosters happy. There's far more talent in Texas, Chicago and the east coast than in Wisconsin. If MU can continue to recruit those areas, they'll be much better off.

Yeah... it got us ONE whole NCAA win and ZERO titles in the past 5 years.... and the future looks really bright (note: sarcasm).

I agree that there is more talent in Texas, the EC, and Chicago.... but we don't get it nearly enough of it to make up for getting beat like a red-headed stepchild in our own backyard by Bo Ryan.  Sorry, that is the reality of the situation.

We'll have another top 6 BE finish and early NCAA flame-out this year and then you are going to see a sharp decline, because the talent well (the little that we've had) has dried up.  Sure, we'll beat a few good teams every season regardless... just like almost every team does.... I guess that is enough to keep the boosters/fans happy.

Again, you fail to mention WHY it matters if Bucky gets more of the in-state "talent." Newflash for you, Abe...the talent in the state is generally not very good! Sorry, that is the reality of the situation. Who is the last big-time player to come from Wisconsin?

Obviously this is just another one of your weak attempts to make it look like Bo is getting the better of MU by using some irrelevant facts. Honestly, aren't YOU even getting tired of your act by now?

Milkman:

Who is the last big-time player to come from Wisconsin?

"Big-time" is very subjective.... I'll use all-conference type talents 

Harris

Wilkinson

Novak

Diener

Butch

Flowers

Hughes

M. Landry

C. Landry

Robert Jackson

Caron Butler

Kyle Weaver

Others?

... plus the young kids coming in....

That's pretty good talent considering it is attainable, unlike the wet-dreams Crean was trying to pull out of other school's territory.  You can scoff at WI talent, but our model of talent harvesting certainly isn't working very good.  I think there is a detachment between where most MU fans and coaches think the program ranks and this little thing I like to call "reality".  Are we counting on the next D-Wade falling through the cracks?  Newsflash! - the reason he came here is because he had very limited options.... It's not like he was a top 50, much less top 5 recruit. 

The fact we are tying our hopes and dreams to a kid that Rivals ranks #92 that won't be here for another year and a half should really illustrate the trouble we are in.  UCONN, 'Cuse, Louisville, etc. get 2 or 3 guys ranked higher than that every year.

wisblue:

didn't realize that Eau Claire was in Marquette's "backyard". I'll bet Minnesota gets a lot more coverage there than MU

That isn't true.  Marquette gets more coverage in Eau Claire (I live there), than Minnesota does.  However, it isn't even close for coverage between UW and MU.  I would say 95% of the college basketball coverage is for UW if not more. 

AbeFroman:

The fact we are tying our hopes and dreams to a kid that Rivals ranks #92 that won't be here for another year and a half should really illustrate the trouble we are in.  UCONN, 'Cuse, Louisville, etc. get 2 or 3 guys ranked higher than that every year.

Interesting that Abe refuses to argue with my posts anymore.  I'll take it as a sign of respect, although I'm sure it has nothing to do with that.  UCONN, Syracuse, and the Ville all get two or three more per year?  Then why is Marquette the only one of those schools to finish in the top 6 in the BE each of the past three years?  Is it because the talent discrepancy isn't as wide as you'd like us to believe?  I'm sure you don't think it's the coaching...or do you :)

ike1024:

AbeFroman:

The fact we are tying our hopes and dreams to a kid that Rivals ranks #92 that won't be here for another year and a half should really illustrate the trouble we are in.  UCONN, 'Cuse, Louisville, etc. get 2 or 3 guys ranked higher than that every year.

Interesting that Abe refuses to argue with my posts anymore.  I'll take it as a sign of respect, although I'm sure it has nothing to do with that.  UCONN, Syracuse, and the Ville all get two or three more per year?  Then why is Marquette the only one of those schools to finish in the top 6 in the BE each of the past three years?  Is it because the talent discrepancy isn't as wide as you'd like us to believe?  I'm sure you don't think it's the coaching...or do you :)

Nothing like that, ike, we've just severely over-achieved. 

ike1024:

AbeFroman:

The fact we are tying our hopes and dreams to a kid that Rivals ranks #92 that won't be here for another year and a half should really illustrate the trouble we are in.  UCONN, 'Cuse, Louisville, etc. get 2 or 3 guys ranked higher than that every year.

Interesting that Abe refuses to argue with my posts anymore.  I'll take it as a sign of respect, although I'm sure it has nothing to do with that.  UCONN, Syracuse, and the Ville all get two or three more per year?  Then why is Marquette the only one of those schools to finish in the top 6 in the BE each of the past three years?  Is it because the talent discrepancy isn't as wide as you'd like us to believe?  I'm sure you don't think it's the coaching...or do you :)

They have a different level of turnover than we do.... players leaving early, etc.  It leaves them from time to time with a very down year.... gaps in the natural progression of things.  They always have talent, but sometimes they get stuck with really young or inexperienced players. 

To answer your question, there is a large discrepancy between us MU and those schools.... yes.