tankduke3:

dsilby:

tankduke3:

"But nope, every other team in the NFL are complete morons for not bringing in Sherman as their GM and Head Coach..."

Correct. Look at the Saints. Look at the Cardinals. Look at the Bills. All had a chance to sign Sherman.  All are now paying the price of mediocrity!!!

 It really is just amazing. How come all these other teams aren't getting in bidding wars for Shermans services? Unreal... If The Cards, Bills and Saints would have hired Sherman, they to would be Super Bowl bound teams. Even the Dolphins! If Miami would have only hired Sherman, they would be for sure the favorites to win their division.

Dont forget Atlanta.

Ummmm, I don't think Atlanta's yet forgotten what happened the last time someone named Sherman went through town ... to Mike's credit, he didn't leave Green Bay in quite as bad of shape.

robertj44:

dsilby:

First of all, this is all speculation. None of us have any idea how much or how little say MM has. Just because his arms were crossed doesn't mean any of this. It's just so hard for me to doubt anything TT and MM are doing. MM almost got coach of the year and TT got GM of the year. Whatever they're doing seems to be working, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Glug, Glug, Glug

tankduke3:

he thought they would develop an everlasting relationship similar to that of Enis and Jack in Brokeback Mountain

robertj44:

I think I am with you on this Beaver was let go today already. TT was standing right next to MM during today's workouts. MM says he likes the kid TT cuts him before MM gets the words out of his mouth. MM has proven his worth to me, he makes solid half time adjustments, puts the right personnel groupings on the field to fit the situation, etc... Yet seemingly TT gives him little responsibility if any making off season moves. Some will say why should he? Isn't his role on the field, TT's,off. I say MM should have a great deal of influence and input in off season decisions, it would appear he has none.

 

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

ptisme:

robertj44:

dsilby:

First of all, this is all speculation. None of us have any idea how much or how little say MM has. Just because his arms were crossed doesn't mean any of this. It's just so hard for me to doubt anything TT and MM are doing. MM almost got coach of the year and TT got GM of the year. Whatever they're doing seems to be working, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

Glug, Glug, Glug

I think that's the sound of Kool Aide sliding down your throat... I tend to agree with dsilby on this...There really is no proof that they aren't working well together....All I've ever hear is how great those two work together... Maybe MM did love this kid but in the end they mutually agreed that there were other players with a better shot to make the team at the end...Who know but this team is much better off now than  it was when TT took over... Unlike the brewers who have been given the benefit of the doubt for the past 2 years and not rewarded, this team actually made it to the NFC championship....Unless they completely fold and prove that Favre was the reason for all their success in 07 (which I don't think was the case) we shouldn't assume the worst...

Well said ptisme. At the end of the day, none of us know much of anything that happens behind the scenes. So the only thing we can go on is what happens on the field, since that's all that matters. And the Pack has proven that what is happening on the field works.

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

 

ptisme:

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

 

Didn't Houston sign Flanigan and some other scrub backup RB from the Packers also?  I think it was a 3rd down back but I can't recall his name...

That would be Samkon Gado, and by the way Ryan Grant was the best move TT ever made. That guy is a stud, he didn't even sniff the field with the giants. TT certainly knew something nobody else did about Grant.

robertj44:

ptisme:

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

 

Didn't Houston sign Flanigan and some other scrub backup RB from the Packers also?  I think it was a 3rd down back but I can't recall his name...

That would be Samkon Gado, and by the way Ryan Grant was the best move TT ever made. That guy is a stud, he didn't even sniff the field with the giants. TT certainly knew something nobody else did about Grant.

Grant certainly was a hell of a find. Let's hope it wasn't a one year wonder. I doubt it, Grant looks like the real deal.  On a side note, what the hell is up with the Crew??? Talking about a team with no heart. These guys need a shot of adrenaline or something.

dsilby:

robertj44:

ptisme:

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

 

Didn't Houston sign Flanigan and some other scrub backup RB from the Packers also?  I think it was a 3rd down back but I can't recall his name...

That would be Samkon Gado, and by the way Ryan Grant was the best move TT ever made. That guy is a stud, he didn't even sniff the field with the giants. TT certainly knew something nobody else did about Grant.

 

Grant certainly was a hell of a find. Let's hope it wasn't a one year wonder. I doubt it, Grant looks like the real deal.  On a side note, what the hell is up with the Crew??? Talking about a team with no heart. These guys need a shot of adrenaline or something.

Four losses in a row after tonight's shutout. Rickie's average is down to .192. Something is or at least should happen soon. Very sad so much promise, such a hungry and deserving fan base not getting their moneys worth.

robertj44:

dsilby:

robertj44:

ptisme:

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

 

Didn't Houston sign Flanigan and some other scrub backup RB from the Packers also?  I think it was a 3rd down back but I can't recall his name...

That would be Samkon Gado, and by the way Ryan Grant was the best move TT ever made. That guy is a stud, he didn't even sniff the field with the giants. TT certainly knew something nobody else did about Grant.

 

Grant certainly was a hell of a find. Let's hope it wasn't a one year wonder. I doubt it, Grant looks like the real deal.  On a side note, what the hell is up with the Crew??? Talking about a team with no heart. These guys need a shot of adrenaline or something.

Four losses in a row after tonight's shutout. Rickie's average is down to .192. Something is or at least should happen soon. Very sad so much promise, such a hungry and deserving fan base not getting their moneys worth.

I was at the game in 87 at county stadium when Deer and Sveum. won the game extending their winning streak. I remember thinking I never wanted that feeling to end.  Seeing your home team play with such heart and passion was awesome. This team now is lifeless and pathetic. You wonder if it's a manager the team isn't responding too or if this "talent" maybe is just way over hyped?

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he rode the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

If Sherman were still gm, Brett Favre would still be playing. Thompson is so incompetent, he drove Favre into an early retirement. 

And get your facts striaght: THERE WAS NEVER A CAP HELL!!!! THOMPSON WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD $35 M, $24 M, AND $35 M TO SPEND ON THE LIKES OF ARTURO FREEMAN AND SOME SAFTEY NAMED MANUAL, AS WELL AS GAY ESCORTS, IF THE PACK WERE IN A CAP HELL!!!

Sherman's handled the cap effiecently and effectlivly. Unlike Thompson, SHERMAN WAS COMPETENT.

 "Unlike Thompson, SHERMAN WAS COMPETENT."

Meanwhile, back in reality.................. 

robertj44:

ptisme:

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherma