tankduke3:

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he rode the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

If Sherman were still gm, Brett Favre would still be playing. Thompson is so incompetent, he drove Favre into an early retirement. 

And get your facts striaght: THERE WAS NEVER A CAP HELL!!!! THOMPSON WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD $35 M, $24 M, AND $35 M TO SPEND ON THE LIKES OF ARTURO FREEMAN AND SOME SAFTEY NAMED MANUAL, AS WELL AS GAY ESCORTS, IF THE PACK WERE IN A CAP HELL!!!

Sherman's handled the cap effiecently and effectlivly. Unlike Thompson, SHERMAN WAS COMPETENT.

 

Back to the original point of the thread.  I think MM does have some say over who will be a part of the team.  After all, Thompson drafts lineman to fit MM's zone blocking scheme. 

As for Beaver, I pretty much knew that once McCarthy said that stuff about him that he wouldn't make the team.  It seemed to me that he was doing the local guy a favor by promoting him hoping he would get a chance elsewhere.

neil38133:

Draconian right wing conservative here

Hey Neil, you should buy my book "Conservatism: The Root of Evil. Why the Right Are Always Wrong, And Why the (far) Left Are Always Right" (Liberal Utopian Press, 2008).

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 Sorry, tank, I've read enough of your drivel here on the forum to last me awhile........

mike shermans drafts 2002-2004

2002

1) Javon Walker WR  good player till his ego and mouth got in his way

2)  none traded away

3) Marcus Anderson S  had a couple of big plays before dissapearing from sight

4) Naj devenport Comp pick so sherman couldnt trade it away-  good player but injury prone

5) Aaron Kampman DE  argueably Sherman's best pick in his 3 yrs as GM

5) Craig Nall QB good clipboard holder but failed with Buffalo when given opportunity to be the man

6) Mike Houghton G  did he play anywhere in the NFL?

7) no picks traded away

1 player left from draft, Walker should have been a star but he was to busy chasing a paycheck, no picks in 2 rounds and only 6 players overall

2003

1) Nick Barnett LB  2nd best pick by Sherman

2) no pick traded away

3) Kenny Peterson DE  was never the player he was at Ohio ST in NFL

4) no pick

5) James Lee DT  a reach and a bust

5) Hunter Hillenmeyer  LB  realeased by Sherman turned out to be a darn good player for Bears last 5 yrs

6) Berndan Curtin T  never got off practice squad - bust

7) chris Johnson DB- fast but wasnt very good

7) DeAndrew Rubin TE  does anyone remember this guy at all? comp pick so sherman had to pick  someone

7) steve Josue LB  small school guy who got hurt early and never made a mark

1 player made an impact in this draft and waiving Hillenmeyer turned out to be a blunder.  no picks in 2nd and 4th rounds netted nothing for team

2004

1) amand Carroll DB - looked great in uniform but couldnt figure out how to play CB in NFL, might have the most penalties per play in GB history

2) no pick  see a trend here? did get al harris for pick so this was a GOOD move at last

3) Joey Thomas CB  shinning moment was getting in a fight with Carroll

3) Donnell Washington- looked the part but was a dud and a bust

3) BJ Sanders P  nothing more needs to be said about this pick

4) no pick

5) no pick

6) C. Williams  played well last yr finally (anyone say contract yr?) after getting chance with Jolly injury but has the chance to be slip back after

    getting his pay day. 

7) Scott Wells C comp pick  sherman actually hit on

Wells turned into a starter, Williams took 4 yrs to make an impact Getting Al Harris was very astute, Carroll was T-Buck II and the rest are dregs.

overall Walker, Devenport, Kampman, Barnett, Al Harris*, Williams and Wells made contributions to the team , the rest were either so bad they were released or waived or if they got playing time they stunk up the field to the point team had to get rid of them (Carroll, Peterson, Lee) just to single out a few.  Some good players but many misses and busts added up to a team that faded away with a Favre in his prime. 

ptisme:

robertj44:

ptisme:

dsilby:

 

ptisme:

tankduke3:

Oh, btw, the last time the Packers had some one serving as both GM and Head Coach, that genius went 44-20 enroute toward becoming the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs.

 His name was Mike Sherman.

Sherman sucked....If he hadn't been hired as GM Favre may have had another SB under his belt.  As it stands he road the coat tails of Favre in his prime (he sure had great influence on BF in all those playoff games didn't he?) and Wolf's drafts....He had some draft choices that worked out but by and large his drafts were failures (less than 1/3 success per JS).  TT inherited a team with a very poor infrastucture (ie poor backups due to poor drafts) and in salary cap hell due to having to over pay average talent.  Overpaying average players happens when you don't have very many picks that work out in the middle and lower rounds (or you trade them for a stupid punter).  This team would be a complete disaster 3 years later if Sherman and his BJ Sander drafts were still in charge...Go down to Texas and find a mountain with Charmin to share if you are so bedazzled by him.

Again well said. Not to mention, I'm sure Sherman had A LOT to do with WAY OVER PAYING A.Green down there in Texas. You just know if Sherman was still running the Packers, we'd have an old and injured Green with a huge contract and NO Ryan Grant. That alone would make the Packers worse off if Sherman still ran the club. The Packers would be in such disarray right now if Sherman was at the helm.

 

Didn't Houston sign Flanigan and some other scrub backup RB from the Packers also?  I think it was a 3rd down back but I can't recall his name...

That would be Samkon Gado, and by the way Ryan Grant was the best move TT ever made. That guy is a stud, he didn't even sniff the field with the giants. TT certainly knew something nobody else did about Grant.

ok, I looked it up... I was thinking of Tony Fisher but he went to the Rams...  Samkon was a nice guy and had his 15 minutes of fame...Too bad that didn't work out:(

Ptisme you didn't have to look that up. You can trust me, I know what's going on with the Pack as well as I do the Brewers. We may disagree at times, but when it comes to semi-useful trivia I am the man.

You're right, I just had Tony Fischer in my head and couldn't think of his name and where he went...I did forget about Samkon though...

Ted Thompson's draft picks 2005-2007:

2005:

1. Rodgers: Injury-prone qb. Already missed a zillion more games than Brett Favre did in 16 seasons altogether.

2. Collins: underachiever. Starter by default.

2. Murphy: this pick is proof of thompson's incompetence. Murphy had a pre-existing medical condition that Thompson failed to detect. All said, Thompson merely drafted this guy to insult Javon Walker, a pro bowl draft pick by the genius himself, Mike Sherman.

4. Underwood: So bad, Thompson was forced to sign Manuel.

4. Poppinga: An average Joe. Starter by default.

5. Coston: Injury-prone.

5. Hawkins: Who?

6. Montomery? Who?

6. Bragg? Who?

7. Campbel: Who?

7. Whitticker: Thompson replaced Mike Wahle with this guy. Was a starter by default. Gone after a season. Ted Thompson is so fvcking incompetent!

2006:

1. Hawk: Average starter. As the 5th overall pick, shouldnt this guy be playing at a pro bowl level????

2. Colledge: Inconsistent and underachiever. Starter by default.

2. Jennings: Thompson's best pick out of his zillion picks.

3. Hodge: BJ Sanders played more games for the Pack than this guy!!!

3. Splitz: Average at best. Starter by default. 

4. Rodgers: This pick couldve landed the Pack Terrell Owens. So you think Andy Reid would rather trade Owens to a divison rival than a non-NFC East team? Thompson was hibernating in a cave at the time the Eagles were shopping Owens around.

4. Blackmon: Injury-prone.

5. Martin: Who?

6. Moll: Injury-prone.

6. Jolly: shows some flashes, but is injury-prone.

6. Culver: Who?

7. Tollefson: Who?

2007:

1. Herrell: This guy spent so much time on the inactive list as a rookie, he made Jameel Reynolds look good. Terrible pick. Further proof of Thompson's incompetence.

2. Jackson: Average. Started by default. 

3. Jones: Faded after strong start.

3. Rouse: Made the team by default; started a couple of games by default.

4. Barbre: If this guy is as good as thompson says he is, how come he wasnt playing when Colledge, Spitz, Coston were struggling? You have to be an idiot not to see the truth: Thompson is using Barbre's false "protental" to shed light away from the biggest fvck up in NFL history; His failure to trade for RANDY FVCKING MOSS with this pick!!!!!!!!!!! 

5. Clowney: Who?

6. Hall: Nothing special. Starter by default.

6. Cosby: Thompson's second best pick out of his zillion picks is a kicker!!! 

6. Bishop: Who?

7. Wynn: Injury-prone. Started by default.

7. Harris: Who?

Bottom line: No pro bowl picks. A bunch of injury-prone players. A bunch of average players starting by default. 4-12. 8-8. Sherman never never never never went 4-12 or 8-8 as GM. Randy Moss is not wearing a Packer uniform. 1 good player drafted (Jennings); a zillions misses and busts. Add them all up and Favre is forced to retire....early. Incompetent, thy name is Ted Thompson!!! 

Tank, Can you get that little walking polar bear avatar back?  I liked that thing...Plus I can't stand looking at Charmin's incompetant fat a$$...Thanks:)   PT

tankduke3:

Ted Thompson's draft picks 2005-2007:

2005:

1. Rodgers: Injury-prone qb. Already missed a zillion more games than Brett Favre did in 16 seasons altogether.

2. Collins: underachiever. Starter by default.

2. Murphy: this pick is proof of thompson's incompetence. Murphy had a pre-existing medical condition that Thompson failed to detect. All said, Thompson merely drafted this guy to insult Javon Walker, a pro bowl draft pick by the genius himself, Mike Sherman.

4. Underwood: So bad, Thompson was forced to sign Manuel.

4. Poppinga: An average Joe. Starter by default.

5. Coston: Injury-prone.

5. Hawkins: Who?

6. Montomery? Who?

6. Bragg? Who?

7. Campbel: Who?

7. Whitticker: Thompson replaced Mike Wahle with this guy. Was a starter by default. Gone after a season. Ted Thompson is so fvcking incompetent!

2006:

1. Hawk: Average starter. As the 5th overall pick, shouldnt this guy be playing at a pro bowl level????

2. Colledge: Inconsistent and underachiever. Starter by default.

2. Jennings: Thompson's best pick out of his zillion picks.

3. Hodge: BJ Sanders played more games for the Pack than this guy!!!

3. Splitz: Average at best. Starter by default. 

4. Rodgers: This pick couldve landed the Pack Terrell Owens. So you think Andy Reid would rather trade Owens to a divison rival than a non-NFC East team? Thompson was hibernating in a cave at the time the Eagles were shopping Owens around.

4. Blackmon: Injury-prone.

5. Martin: Who?

6. Moll: Injury-prone.

6. Jolly: shows some flashes, but is injury-prone.

6. Culver: Who?

7. Tollefson: Who?

2007:

1. Herrell: This guy spent so much time on the inactive list as a rookie, he made Jameel Reynolds look good. Terrible pick. Further proof of Thompson's incompetence.

2. Jackson: Average. Started by default. 

3. Jones: Faded after strong start.

3. Rouse: Made the team by default; started a couple of games by default.

4. Barbre: If this guy is as good as thompson says he is, how come he wasnt playing when Colledge, Spitz, Coston were struggling? You have to be an idiot not to see the truth: Thompson is using Barbre's false "protental" to shed light away from the biggest fvck up in NFL history; His failure to trade for RANDY FVCKING MOSS with this pick!!!!!!!!!!! 

5. Clowney: Who?

6. Hall: Nothing special. Starter by default.

6. Cosby: Thompson's second best pick out of his zillion picks is a kicker!!! 

6. Bishop: Who?

7. Wynn: Injury-prone. Started by default.

7. Harris: Who?

Bottom line: No pro bowl picks. A bunch of injury-prone players. A bunch of average players starting by default. 4-12. 8-8. Sherman never never never never went 4-12 or 8-8 as GM. Randy Moss is not wearing a Packer uniform. 1 good player drafted (Jennings); a zillions misses and busts. Add them all up and Favre is forced to retire....early. Incompetent, thy name is Ted Thompson!!! 

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Mike Sherman: Who? 

tankduke3:

2. Murphy: this pick is proof of thompson's incompetence. Murphy had a pre-existing medical condition that Thompson failed to detect. All said, Thompson merely drafted this guy to insult Javon Walker, a pro bowl draft pick by the genius himself, Mike Sherman.

tankduke3:

Ted Thompson's draft picks 2005-2007:

2005:

1. Rodgers: Injury-prone qb. Already missed a zillion more games than Brett Favre did in 16 seasons altogether.

2. Collins: underachiever. Starter by default.

2. Murphy: this pick is proof of thompson's incompetence. Murphy had a pre-existing medical condition that Thompson failed to detect. All said, Thompson merely drafted this guy to insult Javon Walker, a pro bowl draft pick by the genius himself, Mike Sherman.

4. Underwood: So bad, Thompson was forced to sign Manuel.

4. Poppinga: An average Joe. Starter by default.

5. Coston: Injury-prone.

5. Hawkins: Who?

6. Montomery? Who?

6. Bragg? Who?

7. Campbel: Who?

7. Whitticker: Thompson replaced Mike Wahle with this guy. Was a starter by default. Gone after a season. Ted Thompson is so fvcking incompetent!

2006:

1. Hawk: Average starter. As the 5th overall pick, shouldnt this guy be playing at a pro bowl level????

2. Colledge: Inconsistent and underachiever. Starter by default.

2. Jennings: Thompson's best pick out of his zillion picks.

3. Hodge: BJ Sanders played more games for the Pack than this guy!!!

3. Splitz: Average at best. Starter by default. 

4. Rodgers: This pick couldve landed the Pack Terrell Owens. So you think Andy Reid would rather trade Owens to a divison rival than a non-NFC East team? Thompson was hibernating in a cave at the time the Eagles were shopping Owens around.

4. Blackmon: Injury-prone.

5. Martin: Who?

6. Moll: Injury-prone.

6. Jolly: shows some flashes, but is injury-prone.

6. Culver: Who?

7. Tollefson: Who?

2007:

1. Herrell: This guy spent so much time on the inactive list as a rookie, he made Jameel Reynolds look good. Terrible pick. Further proof of Thompson's incompetence.

2. Jackson: Average. Started by default. 

3. Jones: Faded after strong start.

3. Rouse: Made the team by default; started a couple of games by default.

4. Barbre: If this guy is as good as thompson says he is, how come he wasnt playing when Colledge, Spitz, Coston were struggling? You have to be an idiot not to see the truth: Thompson is using Barbre's false "protental" to shed light away from the biggest fvck up in NFL history; His failure to trade for RANDY FVCKING MOSS with this pick!!!!!!!!!!! 

5. Clowney: Who?

6. Hall: Nothing special. Starter by default.

6. Cosby: Thompson's second best pick out of his zillion picks is a kicker!!! 

6. Bishop: Who?

7. Wynn: Injury-prone. Started by default.

7. Harris: Who?

Bottom line: No pro bowl picks. A bunch of injury-prone players. A bunch of average players starting by default. 4-12. 8-8. Sherman never never never never went 4-12 or 8-8 as GM. Randy Moss is not wearing a Packer uniform. 1 good player drafted (Jennings); a zillions misses and busts. Add them all up and Favre is forced to retire....early. Incompetent, thy name is Ted Thompson!!! 

That's a lot of who's and defaults for a team that went 13-3 last year.  MAYBE you are wrong and some of these guys are actually better than you think.  Also don't get me started on pointing out you are comparing 6-8 year veterans with 1-3 year players.....what?  Oh yea, Al harris was such a stud that he spent his first season on the practice squad and some jackass in tampa bay was criticizing their gm.....al harris..who?

bobblehead:

Oh yea, Al harris was such a stud that he spent his first season on the practice squad and some jackass in tampa bay was criticizing their gm.....al harris..who?

I know who he was talking about but earlier he said sherman traded for a probowler, I was making the point that players sometimes take time to develope.

ptisme:

Tank, Can you get that little walking polar bear avatar back?  I liked that thing...Plus I can't stand looking at Charmin's incompetant fat a$$...Thanks:)   PT

Maybe I will when I am bored with the current avatar. But there's nothing boring about Mike Sherman.

Btw, being the only GM in NFL history to never miss the playoffs is not "incompetent." Incompetent is giving birth to 4-12 and 8-8!!! Incompetent is refusing to trade a 4th round pick for Randy Moss!!! Incompetent is refusing to talk with Pro Bowler Javon Walker about a contract extension!!! Incompetent is doing next to nothing with $35 M, $24 M and $25 M (prior to Favre's retirement)!!!! Anybody with $35 M could sign the injury-prone Woodson and underachiever Pickett in her sleep!!! Incompetent is releasing Mike Wahle!!! Incompetent is claiming to be a draft guru only to draft 1 good player out of a zillions picks!!! Incompetent is forcing Favre to retire before his candle is completely burnt!!!