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Brewers Win...On Weeks Hit. Any Complaints Now!?

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  • 05-10-2008 1:10 AM In reply to

    Re: Brewers Win...On Weeks Hit. Any Complaints Now!?

    mrusso:

    In all honesty, what do you think he'll do tomorrow at the plate and at the end of tomorrow, what will his his average & OBP be? 

     

    Based on your faithful committment to Weeks - you desreve your day in the sun based on Rickie's clutch hit tonight. 

     

    I warn you though, by gloating so much, you open yourself up to much ridicule - based on his overall season stats. 

    Enjoy the night my Brother tomorrow may be here all too soon for you!   

    I welcome it!!! I am not wrong about this young ballplayer! You all are. Not me. I will admit when or if I am wrong about Weeks' ability and many other Brewers' players.

    It befuddles me how any of you can give up on these guys so early in the season. Frankly it ticks me off to see and hear and read a lot of this garabage I do.

    But mark my words, on Weeks.

     

    "If you get to the playoffs, yeah, you've done your job," acting manager Dale Sveum said. "But if you lose in the playoffs, you didn't finish the job."
  • 05-10-2008 1:14 AM In reply to

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    alffan:

    Radio ... do you really believe that this team can win with this moron managing them. He told the JS today that he doesn't care about the criticism and what he's accomplished in six years. What has he accomplished -- one winning season in a down year for the division and blowing an 8 1/2 game lead. He has an $81 million payroll ... the Marlins have a $22 million payroll and they went 1-5 vs. these guys.

    So, what does that have to do with payroll? I couldn't possibly imagine what the posts would be like if we had a $22 million payroll -- wait a minute, I remember seeing threads like that years ago. People were really happy with a low payroll. Unless you're actually trying to systematically argue against the idea that payroll = winning, then I don't really know what your point is.

     Frankly, I'm happy Yost doesn't care about criticism. Why should he? You think he gets anywhere reading the newspapers, the message boards, listening to fan radio? In his press conference tonight, he rightfully cut off a reporter asking a question based on fan opinion, and Yost shot him down completely, and interrupted -- we don't listen to fan radio.

    There's a reason Yost is a manager and we're fans, and I will always believe that, with any MLB manager. We're nobodies, and the manager doesn't have to give two shakes about our criticism, or anyone else's for that matter. The only opinions that matter to a manager are those of the players and of the front office.

    He doesn't have one starter hitting over .295 ... they've gone back to being a horrible road team and prior to this series have won 1 of their last 6 series. Since the 24-10 start last year they are 76-87 and prior to that they were never over .500. WTF has he accomplished.

    One .500 season, one winning season, which included a pennant race and a close division finish. He's run basically one team that was competitive for the division title, and he had two fairly competitive teams the years before that.

    Now, about the starters' battings averages, what does that have to do with Yost? That sounds to me like you're complaining about the talent, and the execution. Yost can't do anything for those guys while they're in the box failing to hit .295.

    I don't want to speak to tonight too much because I didn't see the game, but it sounds like Izzy imploded and the Brewers got lucky. You realize if Weeks and Braun don't get those two ninth inning hits - this team has a NINE GAME LOSING STREAK.

    So? Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Knowing you, you'd probably be happier had they actually lost nine consecutive games.

    Regarding Izzy, do you even follow this team? If so, you would know they didn't just get lucky against Izzy, because they've hit him all year. Hart and Hall had fairly hard hit outs, and then Hardy and Kapler slapped hits, and Kendall drew the walk. Weeks smoked his hit.

    Before tonight, Izzy was 0-1, 2/2 SV, 2.3 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 0 K/1 BB against the Brewers. That's not a very good record, and even during one of his saves he was hit pretty hard.

    You sound so disappointed that they got 9 inning hits -- unfortunately, they don't give out points for "moral victories." There is no "should" in baseball. A win is a win is a win.

    That is how HORRIFIC they have been playing. This teams a massive overhaul ... One win will not save the season. They are a fourth place team. Even though they won tonight, the offense didn't do much and the starter couldn't give them six. How was tonight any different other than Weeks coming through.

    That's just the point -- Weeks came through. We can't know how that affects the team until tomorrow. But, Parra made some adjustments and had a couple of efficient IP after a poor start, and the offense capitalized on two St. Louis mistakes early, the bullpen held the game for four innings, and then the offense won it in the ninth.

    That game was won on a lot more than Weeks. It was won on Yost making the correct pitching assessment of Parra, of the bullpen holding the game, of the Brewers finally scoring some unearned runs.

    But why should Attanasio do anything?  Another 42,000 tonight to watch a fourth place team. If 12,000 had shown up tonight, maybe the Brewers would be more serious about winning.

    Yep, and there will be sell outs probably for the entire season. Boy, wouldn't it upset you if they set the Brewers attendance record.

    *** me, Alffan! Sounds like some folks actually like the team!

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  • 05-10-2008 1:47 AM In reply to

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    brewhawk:

    Really?  Because I think if Ned Yost has been focused on these guys' (not just Rickie's) approach, then the problems should be solved by now.

    This team did not have a single walk tonight until two outs in the bottom of the ninth.  Is this the approach that Ned is preaching?

    No, probably not, but one game does not make an approach. Here are the approaches for the season:

    Brewers NP/PA

    1. Cameron 4.30 (202/47)2. Hall 4.20 (609/145)3. Weeks 4.04 (658/163)4. Hardy 3.96 (523/132)5. Fielder 3.85 (573/149)6. Kendall 3.76 (466/124)7. Hart 3.59 (506/141)8. Braun 3.53 (536/152)

    And, for fun, here are their walk % (BB/PA)....

    1. Fielder 12.8% (19/149)2. Weeks 12.3% (20/163)3. Cameron 10.64% (5/47)4. Hardy 10.61% (14/132)5. Hall 8.9% (13/145)6. Kendall 7.3% (9/124)7. Hart 7.1% (10/141)8. Braun 4.6% (7/152)

    ....hit % (H/PA)....

    1. Hart 26.2% (37/141)

    2. Braun 25% (38/152)

    3. Kendall 25% (31/124)

    4. Hardy 21.2% (28/132)

    5. Fielder 20.8% (31/149)

    6. Hall 18.6% (27/145)

    7. Cameron 17% (8/47)

    8. Weeks 16.6% (27/163)

    ...Coupled with basic OBP...

    1. Kendall .366

    2. Fielder .362

    3. Hart .357

    4. Hardy .321

    5. Weeks .319

    6. Braun .296

    7. Hall .278

    8. Cameron .277

    ....we get this basic ranking of plate approaches (ties broken by OBP):

    1. Fielder: 13

    2. Kendall: 16 (.366)

    3. Hardy: 16 (.321)

    4. Hart: 18 (.357)

    5. Weeks: 18 (.319)

    6. Cameron: 19 (.277)

    7. Hall: 20 (.278)

    8. Braun: 24 (.296)

    Now there's a line up I'd pay to see -- arranged by plate approach (based on pitches taken, hits/PA, walks/PA, and OBP...):

    1. Fielder

    2. Kendall

    3. Hardy

    4. Hart

    5. Weeks

    6. Cameron

    7. Hall

    8. Braun

    BIGGER BATS HIT MORE HOME RUNS!





  • 05-10-2008 2:17 AM In reply to

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    Hold it partner: You're way to manic about tonight's victory and Weeks heroics.. I too was really tickled that they stopped the losing streak and won in the ninth, but you better temper you're ebullience  and be mindful of history. History...like in the last 30 days. History......like in the last half of 2007. 

    Better get down on your knees and pray that the guys will show that they have regained their hitting eyes, fielding skills and overall baseball saavy. But it's a little early to be rubbing the noses in it of those highly critical posters after just one win. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Maybe I'll be able to permit you to jump up and down after tomorrow's game. Sure hope so.

  • 05-10-2008 2:31 AM In reply to

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    alffan:

    For the first time I can ever remember - I actually was hoping they'd lose.

     I spent six hours on a plane tonight only just checking the score and hoping they would've lost. From the recap, it seemed like another typical game until the 9th when they got lucky.

    I'm happy for Rickie but sad for the team. I really believe had they lost tonight and maybe tomorrow, it would have been it for Ned.

    It goes back to do you want to win the battle or the war. I'd rather have a 9 or 10 game losing streak if that's what it takes to finally rid us of Ned.

    Alf if your logic is all that twisted and screwed up right now that you would root against the Brewers, you need to take an inward look. That is not being a fan. I know you are a fan, don't let your emotions cloud your judgement and allow people to start calling you a troll. Last year Ned almost won the DTitle and we were all willing to give up our Nedhate for a playoff run. Melvin kept him on anyway as we were sure that losing the Division after all that (the big lead early in the season, the comeback late in the season) would lose him his job for sure. If he didn't fire him then he won't fire him now. No offense to you Yost backers, if the Crew wins the Division despite Ned I'll take that tradeoff (keeping Ned).Team first my friend.

  • 05-10-2008 6:11 AM In reply to

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    Re: Brewers Win...On Weeks Hit. Any Complaints Now!?

    He probably would've prefered the Crew lost so we'd be a day closer to Ned getting the axe...

  • 05-10-2008 6:27 AM In reply to

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    Mil2BrewCrewRWFan23:

    Now a lot of fans are clamming up now and got nothing to say now. No rants tonite! Where are you all?

    Gone...Good.

    This is the type of resilency and perserverence that all teams on the brink of a Championship has to go through. Many of you lose sight of that.

    The losing streak is gone! Great at bats in the ninth. Does that look like a team who has quit on their manager!? Does it!? Did Yost lose this tonite!? Did Doug Melvin?

    Now what are you got to complain about tonite! The crowd was yoked up and Weeks came through...

    Love to see it. Funny how a little encouragement helps....on a young team that is sliding.

    You all must learn from this. Weeks mentioned you were loud and helpful....

     NOW STAY THAT WAY!!!!

    It helps... 

    BrewCrew you are good guy and a real fan and believer. By the way when Weeks is hitting 0.270 don't expect these guys to give him any credit. That would require them to admit they are wrong. Hang in there. Weeks has been hitting the ball pretty well for about 10 days, but at someone most of the time. (An Aside: The positioning of the Cards OFs last night was very interesting, and poor by the great Tony LaRussa...)
  • 05-10-2008 6:48 AM In reply to

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    Re: Brewers Win...On Weeks Hit. Any Complaints Now!?

    radio silence:

    brewhawk:

    Really?  Because I think if Ned Yost has been focused on these guys' (not just Rickie's) approach, then the problems should be solved by now.

    This team did not have a single walk tonight until two outs in the bottom of the ninth.  Is this the approach that Ned is preaching?

    No, probably not, but one game does not make an approach. Here are the approaches for the season:

    Brewers NP/PA

    1. Cameron 4.30 (202/47)2. Hall 4.20 (609/145)3. Weeks 4.04 (658/163)4. Hardy 3.96 (523/132)5. Fielder 3.85 (573/149)6. Kendall 3.76 (466/124)7. Hart 3.59 (506/141)8. Braun 3.53 (536/152)

    And, for fun, here are their walk % (BB/PA)....

    1. Fielder 12.8% (19/149)2. Weeks 12.3% (20/163)3. Cameron 10.64% (5/47)4. Hardy 10.61% (14/132)5. Hall 8.9% (13/145)6. Kendall 7.3% (9/124)7. Hart 7.1% (10/141)8. Braun 4.6% (7/152)

    ....hit % (H/PA)....

    1. Hart 26.2% (37/141)

    2. Braun 25% (38/152)

    3. Kendall 25% (31/124)

    4. Hardy 21.2% (28/132)

    5. Fielder 20.8% (31/149)

    6. Hall 18.6% (27/145)

    7. Cameron 17% (8/47)

    8. Weeks 16.6% (27/163)

    ...Coupled with basic OBP...

    1. Kendall .366

    2. Fielder .362

    3. Hart .357

    4. Hardy .321

    5. Weeks .319

    6. Braun .296

    7. Hall .278

    8. Cameron .277

    ....we get this basic ranking of plate approaches (ties broken by OBP):

    1. Fielder: 13

    2. Kendall: 16 (.366)

    3. Hardy: 16 (.321)

    4. Hart: 18 (.357)

    5. Weeks: 18 (.319)

    6. Cameron: 19 (.277)

    7. Hall: 20 (.278)

    8. Braun: 24 (.296)

    Now there's a line up I'd pay to see -- arranged by plate approach (based on pitches taken, hits/PA, walks/PA, and OBP...):

    1. Fielder

    2. Kendall

    3. Hardy

    4. Hart

    5. Weeks

    6. Cameron

    7. Hall

    8. Braun

    Thank you for some raw numbers to back up my assertion that adding Mike Cameron to the lineup would be just like adding a second Bill Hall. Exactly what an already imbalanced, dysfunctional lineup needed!! Talk all you want about Ned Yost as a manager, but nobody can win with a lineup like this unless you have exceptional pitching and defense. And, we know how the Brewers stack up there.

  • 05-10-2008 8:22 AM In reply to

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    (btw, Yost cited BABIP tonight, and said that when he evaluates Weeks, he doesn't look at AVG, but focuses more on Weeks' approach. Bigtime points for our manager there....)

    Radio....I nearly dropped my beer when I heard Yost talk about it.  For such a "dumb" manager to talk about that stat with the tone he did....MAJOR points for me, as well....

  • 05-10-2008 8:30 AM In reply to

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    philharmonic kant:

    Hold it partner: You're way to manic about tonight's victory and Weeks heroics.. I too was really tickled that they stopped the losing streak and won in the ninth, but you better temper you're ebullience  and be mindful of history. History...like in the last 30 days. History......like in the last half of 2007. 

    Better get down on your knees and pray that the guys will show that they have regained their hitting eyes, fielding skills and overall baseball saavy. But it's a little early to be rubbing the noses in it of those highly critical posters after just one win. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Maybe I'll be able to permit you to jump up and down after tomorrow's game. Sure hope so.

    Better to jump up and down after a win, particularly under the present circumstances,  than pull for the club to lose.  Sure, one opens oneself up to disappointment by unabashedly cheering victory since the team could lose today.  Of course, after every win, the dark cloud of potential defeat looms.  Tomorrow's potentially negative possibilities are going to be there regardless of MilBrew's ebullience, or anyone else's. Daunting? Yes.

     

    I say, live dangerously, even carelessly with your emotions in these dark times. Celebrate wins as though they are the daily goal and live in the present. Whoop it up, scream, even knock back a celebratory cold one, after all, the team may lose today.

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  • 05-10-2008 9:59 AM In reply to

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    Reg Dunlop:
    I say, live dangerously, even carelessly with your emotions in these dark times. Celebrate wins as though they are the daily goal and live in the present. Whoop it up, scream, even knock back a celebratory cold one, after all, the team may lose today.
     

     

    You know, this wouldn't be a bad way to live one's life--and not just "baseball life".  Perhaps you didn't mean it in that larger sense, but there is some sagacity here as far as I am concerned.

    I tend to be one of those who say "That was a great win, but let's see what tomorrow brings".  I might do better--as a fan and in life--if I could enjoy the victories a little more without tempering them by worrying about the next game. 

     

    Pitchers and catchers can't report soon enough.
  • 05-10-2008 10:02 AM In reply to

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    Mil2BrewCrewRWFan23:

    Now a lot of fans are clamming up now and got nothing to say now. No rants tonite! Where are you all?

    Gone...Good.

    This is the type of resilency and perserverence that all teams on the brink of a Championship has to go through. Many of you lose sight of that.

    The losing streak is gone! Great at bats in the ninth. Does that look like a team who has quit on their manager!? Does it!? Did Yost lose this tonite!? Did Doug Melvin?

    Now what are you got to complain about tonite! The crowd was yoked up and Weeks came through...

    Love to see it. Funny how a little encouragement helps....on a young team that is sliding.

    You all must learn from this. Weeks mentioned you were loud and helpful....

     NOW STAY THAT WAY!!!!

    It helps... 

    No complaints from me...As far as I'm concerned, after last night he's earned the leadoff spot for as long as he wants it!!!  Nice post!!! or not...
    “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.” J.R.R. Tolkien
  • 05-10-2008 10:04 AM In reply to

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    spike3:

    Kudos to RW.

    Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

    That's exactly the line I was thinking:)
    “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.” J.R.R. Tolkien
  • 05-10-2008 10:13 AM In reply to

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    robertj44:

    alffan:

    For the first time I can ever remember - I actually was hoping they'd lose.

     I spent six hours on a plane tonight only just checking the score and hoping they would've lost. From the recap, it seemed like another typical game until the 9th when they got lucky.

    I'm happy for Rickie but sad for the team. I really believe had they lost tonight and maybe tomorrow, it would have been it for Ned.

    It goes back to do you want to win the battle or the war. I'd rather have a 9 or 10 game losing streak if that's what it takes to finally rid us of Ned.

    Alf if your logic is all that twisted and screwed up right now that you would root against the Brewers, you need to take an inward look. That is not being a fan. I know you are a fan, don't let your emotions cloud your judgement and allow people to start calling you a troll. Last year Ned almost won the DTitle and we were all willing to give up our Nedhate for a playoff run. Melvin kept him on anyway as we were sure that losing the Division after all that (the big lead early in the season, the comeback late in the season) would lose him his job for sure. If he didn't fire him then he won't fire him now. No offense to you Yost backers, if the Crew wins the Division despite Ned I'll take that tradeoff (keeping Ned).Team first my friend.

    Nice post RobertJ.... It's sad to be a supporter of Ned no matter how the team does but it would be much worse for Ned bashers to root for them to lose...Stay the course Alfan, Ned will be fired (probably after the season) if he deserves it.. It's tough for us as sports fans to work all day and come home an spend three hours watching our team lose...That makes for little patience which is an art form few fans possess...  Stay the course Alfan...
    “It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him.” J.R.R. Tolkien
  • 05-10-2008 11:51 AM In reply to

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    Mil2BrewCrewRWFan23:

    Now a lot of fans are clamming up now and got nothing to say now. No rants tonite! Where are you all?

    Gone...Good.

    This is the type of resilency and perserverence that all teams on the brink of a Championship has to go through. Many of you lose sight of that.

    The losing streak is gone! Great at bats in the ninth. Does that look like a team who has quit on their manager!? Does it!? Did Yost lose this tonite!? Did Doug Melvin?

    Now what are you got to complain about tonite! The crowd was yoked up and Weeks came through...

    Love to see it. Funny how a little encouragement helps....on a young team that is sliding.

    You all must learn from this. Weeks mentioned you were loud and helpful....

    Yeah learn to shut their pie hole!  I'm by far not a brewer fan but I am a Weeks fan.  Last year he got sent down and nary a whimper out of him,  he didn't beeatch at all and came back and had a decent season.  Glad to know he doesn't read these negative posts from these Capt Crunch ham and egg eater experts

     NOW STAY THAT WAY!!!!

    It helps... 

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