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  • 06-25-2008 3:30 PM In reply to

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    matt stairs:

    I found a pretty good report on Jeffress. Love the stuff, worried about the fact the wheels tend to come off in starts. Here it is.

     

    http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/16/jeremyjeffressreport/

    Thank you so much.

    Excellent read. 

    "Melvin may have gotten this franchise out of a hole, but it is painfully clear that this clown cannot build a playoff team. How many more years are you willing to let Melvin continue to trot a team that has no plate disipline, bad basrunning, bad late inning pitching, and contiually chokes when its on the line? Melvin has no clue when it comes to hitters and it shows. Melvin must go if this team is to ever makes the playoffs again.:"

    -cpk1994

  • 06-25-2008 5:23 PM In reply to

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    Einsteinhood:

    matt stairs:

    I found a pretty good report on Jeffress. Love the stuff, worried about the fact the wheels tend to come off in starts. Here it is.

     

    http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/16/jeremyjeffressreport/

    Thank you so much.

    Excellent read. 

     

    It's the least I could do with all the excellent info everyone else finds. 

     

    I had never seen this site before, but it seems like they do a pretty good job. I'm going to keep checking it, regardless of the prospect they are profiling. 

  • 06-25-2008 11:11 PM In reply to

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    matt stairs:

    Einsteinhood:

    matt stairs:

    I found a pretty good report on Jeffress. Love the stuff, worried about the fact the wheels tend to come off in starts. Here it is.

     

    http://www.saberscouting.com/2008/06/16/jeremyjeffressreport/

    Thank you so much.

    Excellent read. 

     

    It's the least I could do with all the excellent info everyone else finds. 

    I had never seen this site before, but it seems like they do a pretty good job. I'm going to keep checking it, regardless of the prospect they are profiling. 

    Seriously, I read scouting reports, updates and other stuff all the time.

    You get used to reading the same old thing over and over. That scouting report has so much new information for me, it was simply outstanding.

    I've bookmarked the site.
     

    "Melvin may have gotten this franchise out of a hole, but it is painfully clear that this clown cannot build a playoff team. How many more years are you willing to let Melvin continue to trot a team that has no plate disipline, bad basrunning, bad late inning pitching, and contiually chokes when its on the line? Melvin has no clue when it comes to hitters and it shows. Melvin must go if this team is to ever makes the playoffs again.:"

    -cpk1994

  • 06-26-2008 2:29 PM In reply to

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     Here is a somewhat conflicting opinion, though Law has softened on his stance towards Jeffress since the offseason:


    Jon (Denzer, WI): Keith, Jeremy Jeffress was apparently hitting 99 MPH the other night. If he keeps his head on straight, does he project as a frontline starter?

    SportsNation Keith Law: I don't think his secondary stuff is as advanced as the current public consensus says it is. But a pitcher who throws upper-90s and holds his velo (which he did even in HS) is by default a potential 1-2 starter.
    "Melvin may have gotten this franchise out of a hole, but it is painfully clear that this clown cannot build a playoff team. How many more years are you willing to let Melvin continue to trot a team that has no plate disipline, bad basrunning, bad late inning pitching, and contiually chokes when its on the line? Melvin has no clue when it comes to hitters and it shows. Melvin must go if this team is to ever makes the playoffs again.:"

    -cpk1994

  • 06-26-2008 3:59 PM In reply to

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     That's the fun part about scouting reports, they rarely, if ever, agree. Which is what makes projecting players so difficult, if you and I were to watch the same performance for the same player we could walk away with 2 entirely different points of view.

     

    I can only imagine how hard the draft is, multiple reports from multiple scouts, all possibly differing, with 1 or 2 guys left to choose from those reports. It would be fun to be a fly on the wall in the draft room just to see how much conversation goes into 1 pick, much less the entire draft.

  • 07-01-2008 12:16 AM In reply to

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    Matt, I couldn't agree more.  I've gotta think that they just sit in the "war room" and throw darts at pictures.  I wish the MLB draft was more liek the NFL draft.  At least then the fans know what they are getting (alledgedly).  Its kind of frustraing that your hear all the hype about the 1st round pick and then no one sees him for 4 years. Don't you agree?  We've heard all the good and bad about Jeffress for a few years now and still won't see him for a few more. 

    Don't bother telling me I'm wrong or what an idiot I am. I've got an ex-wife for that.
  • 07-01-2008 12:36 AM In reply to

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    Ritchie Rich:

     Its kind of frustraing that your hear all the hype about the 1st round pick and then no one sees him for 4 years. Don't you agree?  We've heard all the good and bad about Jeffress for a few years now and still won't see him for a few more. 

     

    Yes and no. On the one hand, it would be nice to see what your team is paying several million dollars for. On the other hand you have the NBA and NFL, where the fact that a player is a 1st round pick pressures the team to play him, sometimes to the detriment of the player. Like Yi playing last year, he had no business being in the rotation, but since he was a 1st rounder (and the Bucks may have promised to play him), there he was. Overall, I think the product in the NBA, and to a lesser extent, the NFL, has been tarnished by throwing players that aren't ready in, if for no other reason than to justify the pick to the fans. So I don't know if there is a right answer.

     

    One thing I am sure of, at some point I would like to see a one of these HS pitchers the Brewers have drafted in the 1st round show up in the big leagues. 

  • 07-02-2008 4:56 PM In reply to

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    Ritchie Rich:
    I've gotta think that they just sit in the "war room" and throw darts at pictures.
    Um, no. Just because you haven't seen the players and won't see them for a few years, doesn't mean that teams don't do a ton of work.

    You should check out the draft special on FSN one of the billion times they replay it, usually after games. They go into the whole process.

    "Melvin may have gotten this franchise out of a hole, but it is painfully clear that this clown cannot build a playoff team. How many more years are you willing to let Melvin continue to trot a team that has no plate disipline, bad basrunning, bad late inning pitching, and contiually chokes when its on the line? Melvin has no clue when it comes to hitters and it shows. Melvin must go if this team is to ever makes the playoffs again.:"

    -cpk1994

  • 07-03-2008 12:59 PM In reply to

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    Jon V. Cleveland, Oh: Reefer aside - how "high" Is Jeffress' ceiling?

    SportsNation Keith Law: (1:56 PM ET ) The fastball is an 80 on the 20-80 scale, and he holds his velo. That alone puts him into #1 starter territory, in terms of ceiling. I've gotten wildly mixed reports on his breaking ball - haven't seen him live ... how could I with all the suspensions - and his feel for pitching isn't great right now. So the ceiling is #1 starter, but the probability of him reaching it is low.
    "Melvin may have gotten this franchise out of a hole, but it is painfully clear that this clown cannot build a playoff team. How many more years are you willing to let Melvin continue to trot a team that has no plate disipline, bad basrunning, bad late inning pitching, and contiually chokes when its on the line? Melvin has no clue when it comes to hitters and it shows. Melvin must go if this team is to ever makes the playoffs again.:"

    -cpk1994

  • 07-03-2008 1:09 PM In reply to

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    An 80 is pretty much unheard of. No one get's that sort of grade on just about any aspect of their game. 

    "Melvin may have gotten this franchise out of a hole, but it is painfully clear that this clown cannot build a playoff team. How many more years are you willing to let Melvin continue to trot a team that has no plate disipline, bad basrunning, bad late inning pitching, and contiually chokes when its on the line? Melvin has no clue when it comes to hitters and it shows. Melvin must go if this team is to ever makes the playoffs again.:"

    -cpk1994

  • 07-03-2008 1:30 PM In reply to

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    Einsteinhood:

    An 80 is pretty much unheard of. No one get's that sort of grade on just about any aspect of their game. 

     

     

    I've seen it on speed a few times, that's it. The scouting report I linked to only had it at 65 or 70, I think (which is still excellent). I wonder if Zumaya had an 80 on his fastball (since he went as high as 103 with movement). 

  • 07-05-2008 9:45 PM In reply to

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    I don't want to read too much into it but with all the trade talk swirling in the air, Jeffress has now been held back twice on days he was scheduled to pitch. I haven't heard any reports of him being injured. Maybe they are simply montoring innings and are simply skipping a start. I hope that is all it is.
  • 07-07-2008 6:41 AM In reply to

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    On a day when the news has been about Sabathia and little else concerning the Brewers, Jeffress finally made a start under the Brewers brand new pitching scheme. First, time out the gate.... Not so good. In fact, hideous is how I would describe Jeffress' 5 inning stint. July 6th line from Hell..... In 5 innings he managed to strike out 10 men, however it only gets ugly after that; 5 hits, 4 walks, 7 runs w/ 5 of them earned. Just to add splice to the outing he committed two throwing errors. Jeffress after long periods off and extra rest has through out his career been awful. I wonder if he comes back fresh and just starts over throwing. The game logs would make me say it is a distinct possibility. Next start will be interesting to see if he bounces back or starts to regress.
  • 07-14-2008 6:24 PM In reply to

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    Jeffress is an untouchable to me since we dont have that many pitching prospects. It would be awesome to get him up to AA this year and see how he does.

  • 07-14-2008 6:30 PM In reply to

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    I forgot to post his performance for July 11th (much better then the last one) Better then last time out... (5IP, 6H, 2ER, 3BB and 5Ks)
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