Tim Dierkes over at MLB Trade Rumors asks where could Prince Fielder land this offseason?

Now that Ryan Howard is deemed unavailable, the Crew could score an absolute haul if they decided to trade Prince.  With that said, I don't think it's a good idea to trade the big guy...at least this winter.

Dierkes mentions the Orioles as a suitor.  If Prince could land us Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, and George Sherrill would you do it?

I think if you put in Jeremy Guthrie for Sherrill...I'd pull the trigger.  Roberts scores the Crew two draft picks after the '09 season, while Mora solves the 3rd base problem.  Guthrie would solidfy the starting rotation, in my opinion.

What would happen to Rickie Weeks then?  Milwaukee could move him for a reliever, but they could also try to persuade the White Sox to talk.  They are desperate for team speed this offseason and have a hole at second.  Could Paul Konerko be had with Jim Thome there to replace him?  It would take more than Weeks, but it would be very intriguing...

That's quite a bit that would have to fall our way though :)

 veggieland

I can see the logic for making a trade like you mentioned but I'm still convinced the Brewers have the talent in their system and should build from within.

I agree that they have talent from within.  Just providing some food for thought.  There are deals to be had on the market that could make the team much better.

Jim Breen:

I agree that they have talent from within.  Just providing some food for thought.  There are deals to be had on the market that could make the team much better.

Alright, if the Brewers traded Prince for the above players I think they have no choice then but to trade some of their top minor league players away for pitching. They would be laying their cards on the table and going all in at that point. It's possible they could have a team equal to the Cubs for the next couple of years. I can see it going either way, go for it all the next couple of years or continue building from within.

SeattlePilot:

Jim Breen:

I agree that they have talent from within.  Just providing some food for thought.  There are deals to be had on the market that could make the team much better.

Alright, if the Brewers traded Prince for the above players I think they have no choice then but to trade some of their top minor league players away for pitching. They would be laying their cards on the table and going all in at that point. It's possible they could have a team equal to the Cubs for the next couple of years. I can see it going either way, go for it all the next couple of years or continue building from within.

once you lose sheets and c.c. your pitching is very bad.

Jim Breen:

Tim Dierkes over at MLB Trade Rumors asks where could Prince Fielder land this offseason?

Now that Ryan Howard is deemed unavailable, the Crew could score an absolute haul if they decided to trade Prince.  With that said, I don't think it's a good idea to trade the big guy...at least this winter.

Dierkes mentions the Orioles as a suitor.  If Prince could land us Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, and George Sherrill would you do it?

I think if you put in Jeremy Guthrie for Sherrill...I'd pull the trigger.  Roberts scores the Crew two draft picks after the '09 season, while Mora solves the 3rd base problem.  Guthrie would solidfy the starting rotation, in my opinion.

What would happen to Rickie Weeks then?  Milwaukee could move him for a reliever, but they could also try to persuade the White Sox to talk.  They are desperate for team speed this offseason and have a hole at second.  Could Paul Konerko be had with Jim Thome there to replace him?  It would take more than Weeks, but it would be very intriguing...

That's quite a bit that would have to fall our way though :)

If Fielder is moved, and the White Sox would be interested in Weeks, I would try for Javier Vazquez.  Vazquez is in Ozzie's doghouse.  I would just as soon try my luck with Nelson or Gamel at 1st, rather than someone like Konerko. 

I'm not too sure Prince would be that big in demand. He coughs incessently and falls down at the plate when he swings too hard.  

quicksdraw:

SeattlePilot:

Jim Breen:

I agree that they have talent from within.  Just providing some food for thought.  There are deals to be had on the market that could make the team much better.

Alright, if the Brewers traded Prince for the above players I think they have no choice then but to trade some of their top minor league players away for pitching. They would be laying their cards on the table and going all in at that point. It's possible they could have a team equal to the Cubs for the next couple of years. I can see it going either way, go for it all the next couple of years or continue building from within.

 

once you lose sheets and c.c. your pitching is very bad.

Yoga, Para and Bush is not "very bad". Suppan, thats bad. 

dsilby:

Yoga, Para and Bush is not "very bad". Suppan, thats bad. 

This is a very interesting rumor.  Honestly, I'm not sure if it's a good idea.  Make no mistake, I like Roberts and he does solve several issues with this club, but I think he's overrated and I truly believe this team is better with Prince in the lineup than Roberts.  Mora does solve the 3B issue, but I'm not sold that - at 37 - he can be the answer for an entire year.

My position on Prince has always been that if you trade him, it has to be for a top rotation starter.  If we're talking about Roberts, Mora, and a reliever or mid-rotation starter for him, I really do think they could do better than that.  This team does need a lead-off hitter, but I think they need a top SP more.  So if you're going to trade your biggest commodity, it better be for just that.

Jim Breen:

Tim Dierkes over at MLB Trade Rumors asks where could Prince Fielder land this offseason?

Now that Ryan Howard is deemed unavailable, the Crew could score an absolute haul if they decided to trade Prince.  With that said, I don't think it's a good idea to trade the big guy...at least this winter.

Dierkes mentions the Orioles as a suitor.  If Prince could land us Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, and George Sherrill would you do it?

I think if you put in Jeremy Guthrie for Sherrill...I'd pull the trigger.  Roberts scores the Crew two draft picks after the '09 season, while Mora solves the 3rd base problem.  Guthrie would solidfy the starting rotation, in my opinion.

What would happen to Rickie Weeks then?  Milwaukee could move him for a reliever, but they could also try to persuade the White Sox to talk.  They are desperate for team speed this offseason and have a hole at second.  Could Paul Konerko be had with Jim Thome there to replace him?  It would take more than Weeks, but it would be very intriguing...

That's quite a bit that would have to fall our way though :)

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

Jim Breen:

Tim Dierkes over at MLB Trade Rumors asks where could Prince Fielder land this offseason?

Now that Ryan Howard is deemed unavailable, the Crew could score an absolute haul if they decided to trade Prince.  With that said, I don't think it's a good idea to trade the big guy...at least this winter.

Dierkes mentions the Orioles as a suitor.  If Prince could land us Melvin Mora, Brian Roberts, and George Sherrill would you do it?

I think if you put in Jeremy Guthrie for Sherrill...I'd pull the trigger.  Roberts scores the Crew two draft picks after the '09 season, while Mora solves the 3rd base problem.  Guthrie would solidfy the starting rotation, in my opinion.

What would happen to Rickie Weeks then?  Milwaukee could move him for a reliever, but they could also try to persuade the White Sox to talk.  They are desperate for team speed this offseason and have a hole at second.  Could Paul Konerko be had with Jim Thome there to replace him?  It would take more than Weeks, but it would be very intriguing...

That's quite a bit that would have to fall our way though :)

First this set of trades simply do not improve the team. My problem is that we are playing the farm system for teams trying to dump aging expensive ball players. Prince is a young impact player who we can still get 3 relatively cheap prime years out of. Why in the world would we (1) pick up tons of salary and future salary and (2) think this is an improvement over the team we have. Roberts and Mora are on the down side of their primes, Sherrill is a one year wonder who I am not convinced is any better then Stetter or Shouse. Certainly he isn't that much better then Mota or Gagne. Guthrie I like but he isn't really much better then what we have already. An improvement over Suppan and maybe Parra(?????)... this is a good trade for Orioles. Paul Konerko and Jim Thome? Why? This is the scenerio that we should be avoiding.... Farm team for teams that want to unload salary to get younger. What is the point of getting older and loading up on salaries. How is this a better plan then the one that got this franchise from a 100-loss one to one that won 90-games in 2008. I hope this isn't the direction the Brewers follow. First trading Prince should bring back an impact arm not a 32 year old 2B and 37 3B and below league average pitcher.

I agree with Ghostdog on this one.  No way in hell do you trade Prince Fielder for 2 aging veterans (who cost a ton of money) and an average reliever who happened to be the O's closer last year, propping up his value with the save stat.  

The ONLY way you trade Fielder, or Hardy for that matter, is if the haul is overwhelming.  I can't believe anyone would consider Mora, Roberts, and Sherill a "haul" at all, that sounds more like a salary dump to me.  If the deal isn't bringing back AT LEAST a young top rotation arm with at least as many control years as Fielder, then the Brewers should say no.

If you trade Fielder to the Orioles then demand something like Weiters and Adam Jones or Markakis.  The Orioles probably wouldn't do that, but THAT is the kind of haul the Brewers need to get for fielder.  Old players are not going to help us.

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

Guthrie I like but he isn't really much better then what we have already. An improvement over Suppan and maybe Parra(?????)...

We wouldn't be comparing him to Parra and Suppan because they are in the rotation regardless.  We would be comparing him to the unknown 5th starter, and he is obviously an improvement over question mark fifth starter.

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

First this set of trades simply do not improve the team.

It definitely improves the team, I'm not really sure how you can argue that it doesn't.  The question is: does it improve the team long-term, and I think that long-term, this trade doesn't make sense.  But to say that a significant upgrade at 3rd, 2nd, and starting pitcher while losing production at one fairly replaceable position doesn't improve the team seems wrong to me.

ike1024:

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

Guthrie I like but he isn't really much better then what we have already. An improvement over Suppan and maybe Parra(?????)...

We wouldn't be comparing him to Parra and Suppan because they are in the rotation regardless.  We would be comparing him to the unknown 5th starter, and he is obviously an improvement over question mark fifth starter.

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

First this set of trades simply do not improve the team.

It definitely improves the team, I'm not really sure how you can argue that it doesn't.  The question is: does it improve the team long-term, and I think that long-term, this trade doesn't make sense.  But to say that a significant upgrade at 3rd, 2nd, and starting pitcher while losing production at one fairly replaceable position doesn't improve the team seems wrong to me.

quicksdraw:

once you lose sheets and c.c. your pitching is very bad.

Are the Cubs going to resign Dempster?  Heard that Harden needs to have his shoulder checked out since he was struggling to make it through the season.  Shoulder pain and decreased velocity.  Also, Big Z has been losing velocity for the past two seasons and really struggled that last month.  At least Ted Lily is healthy.