lol k....now I get it....I missed the bolded type.....sorry...

wcheezer:

 Osama isn't for anything.  Your desire for politicians to do well are misplaced.  They are already bought and paid for.  Osama isn't ANY different.

However you will get the change you wish for, but like they say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

BTW I would LOVE to hear how you are going to pay for Universal Medical.

Oh I don't know the 10B a week we spend on the war would be a nice start.

dsilby:

 Raven. Please.

None of us, not you. Not me. None of us know exactly what "the truth is". Why, because we are not in their heads and we weren't there. We only get info from 3rd parties. So don't go acting like what you say is 100% fact. Because it's what you "think" and what I "think". But NONE OF US can prove who's 100% correct.

Silby you don't get it factcheck is not a liberal organization, if the truth pisses you off that's a good thing. It should piss you off, and the last eight years of lies and horrible leadership should piss you off just as much as 9/11 pissed us all off! The country won't stand for it for eight more years it's time, had McCain picked someone like Pawlenty I would still have respect for him. He did not, he gambled and lost, hallefukkinglujah!

robertj44:

dsilby:

 Raven. Please.

None of us, not you. Not me. None of us know exactly what "the truth is". Why, because we are not in their heads and we weren't there. We only get info from 3rd parties. So don't go acting like what you say is 100% fact. Because it's what you "think" and what I "think". But NONE OF US can prove who's 100% correct.

Silby you don't get it factcheck is not a liberal organization, if the truth pisses you off that's a good thing. It should piss you off, and the last eight years of lies and horrible leadership should piss you off just as much as 9/11 pissed us all off! The country won't stand for it for eight more years it's time, had McCain picked someone like Pawlenty I would still have respect for him. He did not, he gambled and lost, hallefukkinglujah!

What you just wrote has nothing to do with my comment. 1st of all, I have never been a Bush fan. You can be a Republican without loving Bush. I'm also a Jew, but a Reform Jew. There's also Orthodox Jews and they believe in things totally different than me, but we're both Jews. Bush and I are both Republicans, but I don't agree with a lot of what he's done. 

I don't think McCain is anything like Bush. I mean hell, the NY times endorsed McCain a few months back. That should say something. I am not mad at all, not in the least. I'm young, in good health, happy and have a great Family. I'm not pissed at all. 

I simply said before that NONE of us know the truth with a lot of this stuff. The rumors and he said she saids with BOTH parties we don't know which is truth and which isn't most of the time. I'm familiar with factcheck. And they on more than 1 occasion have gotten their facts mixed up. That is because none of us are in these poloticians heads. Factcheck has writers that research this stuff and "that stuff" is wrong someties.

dsilby:

robertj44:

dsilby:

 Raven. Please.

None of us, not you. Not me. None of us know exactly what "the truth is". Why, because we are not in their heads and we weren't there. We only get info from 3rd parties. So don't go acting like what you say is 100% fact. Because it's what you "think" and what I "think". But NONE OF US can prove who's 100% correct.

Silby you don't get it factcheck is not a liberal organization, if the truth pisses you off that's a good thing. It should piss you off, and the last eight years of lies and horrible leadership should piss you off just as much as 9/11 pissed us all off! The country won't stand for it for eight more years it's time, had McCain picked someone like Pawlenty I would still have respect for him. He did not, he gambled and lost, hallefukkinglujah!

 

What you just wrote has nothing to do with my comment. 1st of all, I have never been a Bush fan. You can be a Republican without loving Bush. I'm also a Jew, but a Reform Jew. There's also Orthodox Jews and they believe in things totally different than me, but we're both Jews. Bush and I are both Republicans, but I don't agree with a lot of what he's done. 

I don't think McCain is anything like Bush. I mean hell, the NY times endorsed McCain a few months back. That should say something. I am not mad at all, not in the least. I'm young, in good health, happy and have a great Family. I'm not pissed at all. 

I simply said before that NONE of us know the truth with a lot of this stuff. The rumors and he said she saids with BOTH parties we don't know which is truth and which isn't most of the time. I'm familiar with factcheck. And they on more than 1 occasion have gotten their facts mixed up. That is because none of us are in these poloticians heads. Factcheck has writers that research this stuff and "that stuff" is wrong someties.

My point Silby was that factcheck doesn't lie, they may make a mistake, big difference. Politicians lie, that's why an organization like factcheck is a good thing. And always they are very thourough with their proof sources etc.. I'm pissed off, I'm healthy, happy, have a great family and am otherwise happy. Factcheck keeps these guys in line and I don't think you should be so dismissive of them. When politicians lie to you get pissed! Factcheck is rarely wrong the people whose lies they target are rarely right. When they find the truth it validates the people who don't lie. It works both ways. Most if not all of what they verify, is very black and white, it's not a he said she said thing with them, "just the facts maam".

wcheezer:

 Osama isn't for anything.  Your desire for politicians to do well are misplaced.  They are already bought and paid for.  Osama isn't ANY different.

However you will get the change you wish for, but like they say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

BTW I would LOVE to hear how you are going to pay for Universal Medical.

 Who said anything about universal healthcare?  I just love the way these fox news watching limbaugh listeners see things only in terms of black and white.  If you want any kind of government regulation, you're a socialist.  If you want any assistance for people without health care, you're, well, a socialist. 

 Something I was wondering aloud about yesterday:  These right-wingers who are constantly whining about paying taxes are always the first ones that want to go to war when there's trouble oversees.  Ideally, how would you like to pay for these wars?  Private donations?   

 I'm totally on board with the Neither/Nor ticket.

Won't be the first time or the last that I'm voting 3rd party. 

Pugger for President!!!

4Raven:

wcheezer:

BTW I would LOVE to hear how you are going to pay for Universal Medical.

BTW I would love to hear how fair you think it is that McCain wants to TAX us on our health care bennys....and exactly where the people will come up with this money after these economic hard times.....

how much extra will people be taxed when their baby is born  premature and their insurance pays out $250,000

can you afford to be taxed on that extra income?Or how about the cancer patient, or the person with a transplant??

Raven,  WHAT PART OF I DON'T SUPPORT MCCAIN DONT YOU UNDERSTAND?  I guess you missed that part of my post.

Apok:

wcheezer:

 Osama isn't for anything.  Your desire for politicians to do well are misplaced.  They are already bought and paid for.  Osama isn't ANY different.

However you will get the change you wish for, but like they say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

BTW I would LOVE to hear how you are going to pay for Universal Medical.

 Who said anything about universal healthcare?  I just love the way these fox news watching limbaugh listeners see things only in terms of black and white.  If you want any kind of government regulation, you're a socialist.  If you want any assistance for people without health care, you're, well, a socialist. 

 Something I was wondering aloud about yesterday:  These right-wingers who are constantly whining about paying taxes are always the first ones that want to go to war when there's trouble oversees.  Ideally, how would you like to pay for these wars?  Private donations?   

No Apok, some of us RIGHT WINGERS actually would like to keep a few pennies of the money we earn, without having to fork it over to ingrates who don't produce.  The Iraq war was a bipartisan measure.  Go look it up.  Congress is the entity that controls the purse strings, NOT the President.  Don't believe me, go look up the Constitution.

You easily are one of those sheep that believes when something goes wrong, the first thing out of your mouth is "Whats the Government going to do?"  

For the record, and you can check with the IRS on this, 86% of ALL Federal Income tax is paid by the top 25% of wage earners in this country.  I and others just like me who make 80k a year, pay our fair share.  How about all you that want universal health care band together and pay for it yourself.  I like my healthcare just fine where it is.

Hey, I'm not looking to get into a political argument, I've long since learned what a futile enterprise it is.  I just had a general wondering that I'm hoping you as a representative of the "no taxes" crowd could answer, if in your perfect world things like war would be paid for by private donations.  And are you also against public schools, libraries, things of that sort? 

 I don't claim to be any kind of a smart person when it comes to politics, but in this whole big government/small government argument, I tend to be of the opinion that there isn't going to be any kind of a power vacuum, that whatever control you take away from government is going to be picked up by someone else, namely corporate interests.  I think we've seen alot of that in what's going on now, when regulations were removed corporate greed ran wild.  I for one would rather have power in the hands of a government consisting of officials who were elected by me to serve my interests than in the hands of corporations who's only goal is to turn a profit at any cost.    Just my two cents, it's entirely possible that I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.   

Hey, I sort of like the slogan from the movie 'Brewster's Millions.'

Vote for none of the above!

Apok:

Hey, I'm not looking to get into a political argument, I've long since learned what a futile enterprise it is.  I just had a general wondering that I'm hoping you as a representative of the "no taxes" crowd could answer, if in your perfect world things like war would be paid for by private donations.  And are you also against public schools, libraries, things of that sort? 

 I don't claim to be any kind of a smart person when it comes to politics, but in this whole big government/small government argument, I tend to be of the opinion that there isn't going to be any kind of a power vacuum, that whatever control you take away from government is going to be picked up by someone else, namely corporate interests.  I think we've seen alot of that in what's going on now, when regulations were removed corporate greed ran wild.  I for one would rather have power in the hands of a government consisting of officials who were elected by me to serve my interests than in the hands of corporations who's only goal is to turn a profit at any cost.    Just my two cents, it's entirely possible that I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.   

Look, I don't have a problem with taxes as per say, because there are good things that can done, but this mentality of cradle to grave has to stop.  Sooner or later with the massive debt this country has, coupled with the massive amounts of money owed to Social Security, coupled with massive spending increases for everything.  Iraq included, is going to bankrupt this country.  When that happens there are going to be a lot of people like yourself who haven't a clue how to take care of themselves are going to be screwed.

The evil part of me wishes it happens, just so that chicken littles will run around unable to function.

The worst words you can ever hear are "Hi, I am from the Government and I am here to help."

Exactly what grounds to you have for claiming that I don't know how to take care of myself?  The only government assistance I'm getting is in the form of the GI Bill, but I consider that more earned income than a handout, feel free to disagree.  I simply adhere to the old adage that to whom much is given, much is required.  I know personally that I would not be able to afford college without VA benefits, but some people, due to disabilty or whatever, don't have the option of military service as a means to afford college.  I also know that there are alot of people without access to healthcare for reasons other than being lazy, despite what you or Rush Limbaugh may have to say to the contrary. 

 P.S.  I'm not sure the evil part of you is as well concealed as you think. 

robertj44:

wcheezer:

 Osama isn't for anything.  Your desire for politicians to do well are misplaced.  They are already bought and paid for.  Osama isn't ANY different.

However you will get the change you wish for, but like they say, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

 

BTW I would LOVE to hear how you are going to pay for Universal Medical.

Oh I don't know the 10B a week we spend on the war would be a nice start.