brewguru:

Question for someone who might know.

 

If Sheets is still unsigned by Opening Day, do we still receive compensation when he does eventually sign?

And if the Yankees signed him in, say, June, would we receive their #1 pick in '10 (pending FA signings next winter)?

 

Just asking because last year some players were forced to "retire" because of the lack of offers. And Sheets is generating no interest right now.

Lord knows that Doug Melvin won't make a phone call.

This is a great question, Brewguru, I was thinking of the same issue a few days ago.

I haven't found a single thing on that question thus far, but am still looking.

I am now convinced that Sheets' shoulder is shredded or something, and that's why he hasn't signed anywhere yet. Pitchers who pitch 198 IP with an ERA under 3.20 don't go un-signed in the MLB, no matter the financial outlook of the times.

Mets-Sheets Chatter

MetsBlog's Matthew Cerrone transcribes some comments from SI.com's Tom Verducci, and also provides his own insight into Ben Sheets' possible demands.  The Mets like him, but they want to do a heavily incentive-based deal similar to Brad Penny's.  Sheets, having had a much better season than Penny, is apparently seeking two years and $18MM or so with a third-year option.

I'm surprised Sheets would want to lock himself in for multiple years given the down market.  If he's confident in his health, a straight one-year deal could be best.  Sheets did already turn down such an offer from the Brewers (their offer of arbitration), but that was back on December 7th.

 2/$18?

Damn, that's a joke.

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 2/$18?

Damn, that's a joke.

That's UNBELIEVABLE!  That's the steal of the offseason!  Melvin should call up and offer 2/20 with a 3rd year club option at the same price.

If you figure you were willing to give Sabathia 20 mil, how are 2 Sheets not worth 1 Sabathia????

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 2/$18?

Damn, that's a joke.

My thoughts exactly.

Either Melvin knows his shoulder is shredded, or something personal went down between the two for Melvin to not counter that?

I'm sorry guys, can you catch me up?  Why wouldn't the Crew get a 1st rounder if he signed with Texas?  Thanks.

You can only get a pick 16 to 30.  If the team giving up the pick is in the top 15, they keep their 1st round pick, and you get the 2nd round.  So I guess Texas must be somewhere around 10th pick.  And they keep it.

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brewguru:

Question for someone who might know.

 

If Sheets is still unsigned by Opening Day, do we still receive compensation when he does eventually sign?

And if the Yankees signed him in, say, June, would we receive their #1 pick in '10 (pending FA signings next winter)?

 

Just asking because last year some players were forced to "retire" because of the lack of offers. And Sheets is generating no interest right now.

 

Just read a couple of days ago on ESPN that if a class A free agent is signed after this year's draft,the team signing the player doesn't have to give up anything.

According to sources, if a Type A free agent signs after the draft, which is scheduled to be held June 9-11, there will no longer be any draft-pick compensation attached to the player. 

Lord knows that Doug Melvin won't make a phone call.

 

This is a great question, Brewguru, I was thinking of the same issue a few days ago.

I haven't found a single thing on that question thus far, but am still looking.

I am now convinced that Sheets' shoulder is shredded or something, and that's why he hasn't signed anywhere yet. Pitchers who pitch 198 IP with an ERA under 3.20 don't go un-signed in the MLB, no matter the financial outlook of the times.

sheetsnotbroke:

You can only get a pick 16 to 30.  If the team giving up the pick is in the top 15, they keep their 1st round pick, and you get the 2nd round.  So I guess Texas must be somewhere around 10th pick.  And they keep it.

Ah yes.  Thanks much.

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There will be days of regret for some teams in 2009, borne out of the low-cost winter market -- days when club executives will look back at the low-dollar deals being made now and wonder: Why didn't we do that? There will be teams that will be trading prospects for starting pitchers to fill holes in their rotation.

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It seems to me Mark is a buy high, sell low kind of owner.  It just seems odd.

It appears you could make a MLB rotation of Sheets, Wolf, Garland, Looper for 9 x 7 x 7 x 7 a year = 30 mill year for a quaility rotation.

We bought Suppan HIGH and now we refuse to buy better pitchers low.  I know how that is going to work out in the long term.  And to spell it out:  we will have an overexpensive AVERAGE team.  The alternative is an underexpensive GOOD team.

Man I sure hope Soup has a good year.  It is going to be painful watching his 5 era for 14 mill, whilst the about four guys are putting up 3.5 to 4.5 eras for half the price.

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brewguru:

Question for someone who might know.

If Sheets is still unsigned by Opening Day, do we still receive compensation when he does eventually sign?

And if the Yankees signed him in, say, June, would we receive their #1 pick in '10 (pending FA signings next winter)?

Just asking because last year some players were forced to "retire" because of the lack of offers. And Sheets is generating no interest right now.

Lord knows that Doug Melvin won't make a phone call.

 

This is a great question, Brewguru, I was thinking of the same issue a few days ago.

I haven't found a single thing on that question thus far, but am still looking.

I am now convinced that Sheets' shoulder is shredded or something, and that's why he hasn't signed anywhere yet. Pitchers who pitch 198 IP with an ERA under 3.20 don't go un-signed in the MLB, no matter the financial outlook of the times.

If he signs later, we don't.

Oh wait, you probably don't want that info GURU, because it came from Keith Law.

MrQuestions:

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 2/$18?

Damn, that's a joke.

 

That's UNBELIEVABLE!  That's the steal of the offseason!  Melvin should call up and offer 2/20 with a 3rd year club option at the same price.

If you figure you were willing to give Sabathia 20 mil, how are 2 Sheets not worth 1 Sabathia????

Probably because he has pitched 150 innings or more only thee times in the last 5 seasons, and finished last season (even though he pitched 198 innings) on the bench with an arm injury.

How is it that people don't get that?

brewhawk:

MrQuestions:

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 2/$18?

Damn, that's a joke.

 

That's UNBELIEVABLE!  That's the steal of the offseason!  Melvin should call up and offer 2/20 with a 3rd year club option at the same price.

If you figure you were willing to give Sabathia 20 mil, how are 2 Sheets not worth 1 Sabathia????

Probably because he has pitched 150 innings or more only thee times in the last 5 seasons, and finished last season (even though he pitched 198 innings) on the bench with an arm injury.

How is it that people don't get that?

Last I checked Sabathia isn't capable of pitching 300 innings. 

What I was saying is that if we were willing to pay Sabathia $20 mil for 250 innings ($80,000 per inning) then we should be more than willing to pay Sheets $10 mil for 150 (or more) innings ($66,666 or less per inning).

MrQuestions:

brewhawk:

MrQuestions:

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 2/$18?

Damn, that's a joke.

 

That's UNBELIEVABLE!  That's the steal of the offseason!  Melvin should call up and offer 2/20 with a 3rd year club option at the same price.

If you figure you were willing to give Sabathia 20 mil, how are 2 Sheets not worth 1 Sabathia????

Probably because he has pitched 150 innings or more only thee times in the last 5 seasons, and finished last season (even though he pitched 198 innings) on the bench with an arm injury.

How is it that people don't get that?

Last I checked Sabathia isn't capable of pitching 300 innings. 

What I was saying is that if we were willing to pay Sabathia $20 mil for 250 innings ($80,000 per inning) then we should be more than willing to pay Sheets $10 mil for 150 (or more) innings ($66,666 or less per inning).

See, Ben Sheets is a choker. When the game or season's on the line, he p*ssies out and makes up a fake injury so that he doesn't have to prove his manhood. It's because he doesn't have one, you know.