beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

It's just as easy as calling for the coach to be fired for losing to the Nos. 9 and 11 ranked teams. :)

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

wow guess I didn't know I needed to lower the bar or expectations when playing a lesser opponent??  All I stated is that there are a lot of aspects of the game, including special teams that is a little easier to execute when playing a 3-5 team.  Do you agree or disagree with that??  It's

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

wow guess I didn't know I needed to lower the bar or expectations when playing a lesser opponent??  All I stated is that there are a lot of aspects of the game, including special teams that is a little easier to execute when playing a 3-5 team.  Do you agree or disagree with that??  It's

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thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

wow guess I didn't know I needed to lower the bar or expectations when playing a lesser opponent??  No, I am not diminishing it, all I stated (to expand on it) is that there are a lot of aspects of the game, including special teams that is probably a little easier to execute when playing a 3-5 team.  Do you agree or disagree with that??  It's just a simple yes or no question.

runningwithscissors:

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

wow guess I didn't know I needed to lower the bar or expectations when playing a lesser opponent??  All I stated is that there are a lot of aspects of the game, including special teams that is a little easier to execute when playing a 3-5 team.  Do you agree or disagree with that??  It's

Agree, of course. But i don't recall too many posts of yours talking about how it is a little tougher to execute when playing top ranked teams.

Like i said, you diminish the accomplishment, yet feel no need to diminish our shortcomings against better opponents.

One sided.

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

wow guess I didn't know I needed to lower the bar or expectations when playing a lesser opponent??  All I stated is that there are a lot of aspects of the game, including special teams that is a little easier to execute when playing a 3-5 team.  Do you agree or disagree with that??  It's

Agree, of course. But i don't recall too many posts of yours talking about how it is a little tougher to execute when playing top ranked teams.

Like i said, you diminish the accomplishment, yet feel no need to diminish our shortcomings against better opponents.

One sided.

that's because I never stated a post like that.  Are you grilling me for something I didn't say?  Why would I have previously posted how it is tougher to execute when playing a better quality/ranked team when this is the first time it has been brought up in a thread?  I don't get it. 

Keeping things in perspective is different than diminishing an accomplishment.  I hope you would not disagree with that.

runningwithscissors:

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

thebaumer:

runningwithscissors:

beemo:

Um, yeah. Whoever coaches ST did a real nice job last Sat. Sometimes a little crow can be delicious! 

it's probably a a little easier to look good on ST against a 3-5 team I'm betting.  Just a wild bet though.

So, you will diminish the accomplishment, yet make no allowance for lesser play against a better opponent. Seems kinda one sided.

wow guess I didn't know I needed to lower the bar or expectations when playing a lesser opponent??  All I stated is that there are a lot of aspects of the game, including special teams that is a little easier to execute when playing a 3-5 team.  Do you agree or disagree with that??  It's

Agree, of course. But i don't recall too many posts of yours talking about how it is a little tougher to execute when playing top ranked teams.

Like i said, you diminish the accomplishment, yet feel no need to diminish our shortcomings against better opponents.

One sided.

that's because I never stated a post like that.  Are you grilling me for something I didn't say?  Why would I have previously posted how it is tougher to execute when playing a better quality/ranked team when this is the first time it has been brought up in a thread?  I don't get it. 

Keeping things in perspective is different than diminishing an accomplishment.  I hope you would not disagree with that.

Why havent' you? That is the point. Silence on the matter is deafening. Choosing to note only when things are easier is ONE SIDED. It presents an argument, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. You have not posted once on Iowa and OSU qualifying the loss. You can't keep things in perspective if you don't present the full spectrum..which you aren't doing. Where were you giving us perspective on the losses? One sided.

baum you are going off the deep end.  Now I'm supposed to qualify the losses to OSU and Iowa?  Sorry that I don't praise the team when they lose if that is what you are looking for.  Maybe you should accept the fact that there wasn't a whole lot to praise in the losses against OSU and Iowa and therefore I didn't post much regarding great performances.  You are just assuming that because I dont' post something that I don't have perspective......that is pretty bold and immature and now you've a little merit on this board.  I have offered and posted many different perspectives about the team this year and over the last few seasons even on the old js onine board before sportsbubbler was even here.  Get a clue.  sorry but I don't have time to search each specific thread.....I don't have the time. 

runningwithscissors:

baum you are going off the deep end.  Now I'm supposed to qualify the losses to OSU and Iowa?  Sorry that I don't praise the team when they lose if that is what you are looking for.  Maybe you should accept the fact that there wasn't a whole lot to praise in the losses against OSU and Iowa and therefore I didn't post much regarding great performances.  You are just assuming that because I dont' post something that I don't have perspective......that is pretty bold and immature and now you've a little merit on this board.  I have offered and posted many different perspectives about the team this year and over the last few seasons even on the old js onine board before sportsbubbler was even here.  Get a clue.  sorry but I don't have time to search each specific thread.....I don't have the time. 

Who said praise? Did you criticize them in the loss? Where is the PERSPECTIVE. Did you acknowledge the toughness of Iowa or OSU?

No, i don't assume that, it is that if you don't post it HERE, then OUR perspective of your posts and of your thoughts of the team become ONE SIDED. It really isn't that hard to understand. What is funny is that in a CRUSHING of Purdue you found something to diminish, but against 2 top 15 opponents you couldn't find anything to praise? C'mon. We were beating up Iowa in the first half..and you can't find anything positive to say? Or to even say something like, "hey, we looked ok against a tough opponent in the first half."

If you posted only positive things about the badgers, would we conclude that you were a homer or Candide? Probably. If after every loss you only found the good then we would be having the same discussion.

It is pretty basic, if you make posts that diminish wins because the opponent was poor, then you should do the same when we lose to a opponent who is good. Failure to do so only leads to the conclusion that you diminish wins and present one side.

How am I diminishing a win?  wasn't UW supposed to win this game?  Saying that special teams probably had an easier time executing against a 3-5 team how is that diminishing a win? 

Baumer:  "if you make posts that diminish wins because the opponent was poor, then you should do the same when we lose to a opponent who is good."

 Huh, I'm supposed to diminish a loss when we lose to an opponent who is good?  Baumer, you are talking in circles.

runningwithscissors:

Baumer:  "if you make posts that diminish wins because the opponent was poor, then you should do the same when we lose to a opponent who is good."

 

Owned.  Someone is moving the goal posts again (The Bum). Just like when he says I can't use stats to talk about how good Tim Tebow is but then he goes and uses stats to show how bad he is.  It's just another example of moving the goalposts.

Just got done reading the Badger Plus article on Phillips.  It makes me wonder even more what the coaching staff was thinking when they put Phillips in against Iowa.  His struggles against Purdue clearly show he had no business being on the field in a critical game.  Hopefully, BB and his staff have inserted this into their lessons learned manual to avoid making the same dumb decision twice.

Which brings me to the second point, BB's lack of accountability.  The Phillips snafu was an opportunity to show some humility.  Instead he reaffirmed the perception that he believes that he is above reproach when it comes to questioning his program.  I think his justification was, it was scripted so we stayed with the plan.  Nice attempt to justify a bad decision. 

 

wmvusa:

Just got done reading the Badger Plus article on Phillips.  It makes me wonder even more what the coaching staff was thinking when they put Phillips in against Iowa.  His struggles against Purdue clearly show he had no business being on the field in a critical game.  Hopefully, BB and his staff have inserted this into their lessons learned manual to avoid making the same dumb decision twice.

I thought the CP move against Iowa was dumb and said so in that game thread.  That said, we weren't at practice so we don't know how good he looked.  If he was impressing in practice, it's reasonable that the coaches would want to get him some gametime.  They just picked a very bad time to do it.

wmvusa:

Which brings me to the second point, BB's lack of accountability.  The Phillips snafu was an opportunity to show some humility.  Instead he reaffirmed the perception that he believes that he is above reproach when it comes to questioning his program.  I think his justification was, it was scripted so we stayed with the plan.  Nice attempt to justify a bad decision.

Well, it is his job to try to justify it.  He, afterall, did it.  If he said that he messed up, the haters would be jumping up and down all over him saying crap like "Even BB thinks he's a bad game manager" etc. 

As for humility, it's at best very rare in college football.  Witness running up scores, scheduling patsies, bitter recruiting wars, etc.  These guys don't get the jobs they have by exercising their humility.  They get them by being ruthless, arrogant bastards.  It's why BB ran across the field to shake hands with Brew when UW won the axe a couple years back.  It's why he committed penalties on purpose to run the clock out against Penn St, much to Paterno's chagrin.  Neither are the moves of a humble man.