It is a possible theory.  He may have wanted out.  He may have had good reason.   The way the front office treated him was a joke.  Many on here do not believe in special treatment, but it is the reality. 

OTAs, training camp and all of those things are really important for young players.  They mean nothing for veterans.  Someone who has played 16-17 years does not need OTAs or minicamps.  Favre is proving that this year just as strahan did in the past.  There is nothing else they are going to learn.

I think it was a football move.  I really think they thought Favre could no longer deliver the caliber of play he is showing.  They were obviously wrong and probably costed us a couple more runs at a title.

 

Dissident94:

It is a possible theory.  He may have wanted out.  He may have had good reason.   The way the front office treated him was a joke.  Many on here do not believe in special treatment, but it is the reality. 

OTAs, training camp and all of those things are really important for young players.  They mean nothing for veterans.  Someone who has played 16-17 years does not need OTAs or minicamps.  Favre is proving that this year just as strahan did in the past.  There is nothing else they are going to learn.

I think it was a football move.  I really think they thought Favre could no longer deliver the caliber of play he is showing.  They were obviously wrong and probably costed us a couple more runs at a title.

 

I think that it was a fair thing to say--after the '07 season--that BLF could no longer play effectively in adverse weather conditions, and epsecially in the bitter cold (and in his younger days, he seemed to thrive in those conditions).  I think it was also fair thing to say that he had slumped in the back stretch of the last five seasons.  Could he have been as effective QBing a team that plays it's home games in the cold late in the season?  I don't think so.

It remains to be seen how he'll fare in the back stretch of a season where he plays his home games in a climate controlled setting.

I caught it and I was surprised to hear him say it, although I agree with him. It's been my feeling all along that MN QB #4 did not want to be in Green Bay anymore, and that's part of the reason why I will never be able to forgive him for any of this. If he were literally run out of town it would be a different story.

CalValleyFan:

shipitdear:

 Cal - if the Packers go 8-8 or 9-7 and miss the playoffs which I think is the likelihood at this point - does the mediocrity that is Ted Thompson get fired?  If the answer to that question is yes, I would figure that a new GM would want to make his own coaching hire a la Ron Wolf...

No, unfortunately. The TT/MM experiment will set us back for another year. Look at our division record during their reign...not good I would guess - I think we are under .500 to Bears and gotta be close with Queens. I think they get another year, but they will stay or go as a package. MM is TT's guy, he made that leap and I don't think one goes without the other.

This is my instinct as well.  The thing that pisses me off is that recent history has proven that Green Bay can lure a top level exec and HC candidate.  Wolf was an exremely well respected NFL exec before the Packers hired him and Holmgren was by far the top assistant coach prospect being considered as a head coaching candidate.  I don't even think Thompson and McCarthy are that horrible but is that the standard now in GB?  Not being horrible?  How can anyone be convinced that these 2 are the best the Packers can do?  I don't accept it.

Dissident94,good post.

How's missing OTA's and training camp working out for Favre this year and even last yr until he got hurt. The bottom line is,TT never wanted Favre when he was hired,thats why his very 1st draft pick was Rodgers.The team needed so much more than a QB to be sitting on the bench for 3,4 yrs.The NFL is a win now league and Favre didn't have many yrs left. After the Giants game when MMc & TT decided that Favre would never win the big game they didn't want him playing for the Pack. Not good enough to play for the Pack but also can't play for anybody in the Division.What a joke. We couldn't get a better draft choice then what the Jets gave us if we traded him to whoever? TT's job is to do whats best for the Green Bay Packers and he didn't. Forget all the other BS,where is Favre playing now? For everybody who says Favre will break down at the end of the season or in the playoffs with another "of his costly INT's",you have to be in the playoffs first to throw an INT. Everybody likes saying when we won in 1996 it was a team thing which is correct.But when we lost it was always Favre.The Giant game is a perfect example,for us who played good?  Plexico should name one of his kids after Al Harris. The whole team hasn't been right since that game and thats Favre's fault too I guess. TT will be fired and won't be because of Favre,it will because of his inability to build an Offensive Line.

StallisTim:

I caught it and I was surprised to hear him say it, although I agree with him. It's been my feeling all along that MN QB #4 did not want to be in Green Bay anymore, and that's part of the reason why I will never be able to forgive him for any of this. If he were literally run out of town it would be a different story.

I think the change from Sherman to TT&MM did drive him out. Thompson and McCarthy knew they'd have to have young teams to fix Sherman's cap screw ups and wanted the veterans in camp and at OTA's to mentor the younger guys. By the time they got here BLF had been give a pass on that stuff for so long he couldn't accept being required to participate, and didn't understand why they wouldn't bow to his wishes and excuse him.

I guess the sad part to me was that if he'd have looked at his 2007 performance objectively, he'd have seen that he had a great year, after he followed their advice and worked out hard in the offseason and participated in the whole camp.  

 

aegisfc:

I guess the sad part to me was that if he'd have looked at his 2007 performance objectively, he'd have seen that he had a great year, after he followed their advice and worked out hard in the offseason and participated in the whole camp.  

Of any player ever in the NFL to earn time off in the offseason you would think it was Favre.  He came into camp in shape.  But he played through so many injuries and other adversities only to be told OTAs and minicamps were more important than the service he put in.

Charlse Haley use to show up and get signed by teams with like 2-3 games left.  Special players or special people get special treatment. 

Dissident94:

aegisfc:

I guess the sad part to me was that if he'd have looked at his 2007 performance objectively, he'd have seen that he had a great year, after he followed their advice and worked out hard in the offseason and participated in the whole camp.  

Of any player ever in the NFL to earn time off in the offseason you would think it was Favre.  He came into camp in shape.  But he played through so many injuries and other adversities only to be told OTAs and minicamps were more important than the service he put in.

Charlse Haley use to show up and get signed by teams with like 2-3 games left.  Special players or special people get special treatment. 

BLF got hurt last season, and I don't think it was conincidental to his lack of pre-season conditioning.  We'll see how that works for him this year. 

CheeseCityFan:

BLF got hurt last season, and I don't think it was conincidental to his lack of pre-season conditioning.  We'll see how that works for him this year.

 

 

He got hurt after like 12-13 weeks.  So including the bye week and 3 weeks of training camp that is 16 weeks.  That is 4 months of training.  By then his arm was in pretty good shape.  I do not think his injury had anything to do with workout training since his arm was hurt after it was in shape. 

If he had torn it in game 1-2 then it is a possibility.  But not after working it out for 4 months. 

CheeseCityFan:

Dissident94:

It is a possible theory.  He may have wanted out.  He may have had good reason.   The way the front office treated him was a joke.  Many on here do not believe in special treatment, but it is the reality. 

OTAs, training camp and all of those things are really important for young players.  They mean nothing for veterans.  Someone who has played 16-17 years does not need OTAs or minicamps.  Favre is proving that this year just as strahan did in the past.  There is nothing else they are going to learn.

I think it was a football move.  I really think they thought Favre could no longer deliver the caliber of play he is showing.  They were obviously wrong and probably costed us a couple more runs at a title.

 

I think that it was a fair thing to say--after the '07 season--that BLF could no longer play effectively in adverse weather conditions, and epsecially in the bitter cold (and in his younger days, he seemed to thrive in those conditions).  I think it was also fair thing to say that he had slumped in the back stretch of the last five seasons.  Could he have been as effective QBing a team that plays it's home games in the cold late in the season?  I don't think so.

It remains to be seen how he'll fare in the back stretch of a season where he plays his home games in a climate controlled setting.

 

Keep clinging, he's healthy as a horse and is likely to play in two potentially bad weather games the rest of the way. He's going to finish strong and be healthy. Look at his numbers a half a season is a fair enough sampling, he's not going to wear down, he could get hurt (your only hope) get ready for more disappointment. 

robertj44:

Keep clinging, he's healthy as a horse and is likely to play in two potentially bad weather games the rest of the way. He's going to finish strong and be healthy

 

I think that Brett is more healthy than he was in 2007.  I think the shoulder thing has been around longer than people think.  Even in 2007 Brett couldn't quite get the zing on the ball like he had in previous years.  Everybod was saying how great he played until his injury late in the 2008 season, but that is a bunch of crap.  At the time the Jets were 8-3 Favre had not played that well, even if they were talking of another MVP award.  He threw 21 ints and 21 Tds in 2008, but everyone wants to say he played poorly after the injury.  The last 5 games he had 9 ints and 2 Tds which would have given him 12 ints and 19 Tds prior to the injury.  The problem is that he had 1 game where he threw 1 int and 6 Tds so for the 10 healthy games he plyed he threw 11 ints and 13 Tds which is faily pedsetrian and un-Favre like.

I think Bretts shoulder/mucsle injury may heve been around before he went to NY.  I don't think either he or the Packers knew it before hand.  Favre just didn't have the zing on the ball last year even when healthy.  Having watched more of his games (both Packer games and a litte of others) Bretts arm looks better than it did in 2007 and evne more supperior to 2008 before his injury.  He is throwing more like he did in 2003 and prior.  I think GB made the right decision to let him go, but I think the surgury this year repaired a problem that existed longer than just last year.  I had shoulder surgury after I fell on my elbow and tore the rotator cuff, and when they gave me the surgury they discovered it had been messed up long before the accident.  Yet before I fell, I could throw the football with heat and accuarcy, it just was terribly sore for a couple days afterword.  Ithink Bretts shoulder problem was there before he left Gb and the Vikings are now reaping the benefits fo a healthy Favre.

I have tired of all the talk of keep him or let him go.  It is done and over, GB blew 2 chances to beat him and now only need to worry about the rest of the season.  Hopefully this will take some of the pressure off this team, since there is no scheduled Viking game for the rest of the regular season.   I hope there is a Favre vs Packers III in the future this year this year.  For now Go GB, Go Packers and may Favre get sacked as much as Rodgers for the rest fo the season (to include the first 31).