robertj44:

yountnstarr:

I'll always agree with Thompson on the farve issue. He did yhe right thing by not playing the mind games anymore. It's the other moves that have me thinking he may not be the man for the job. Not sure what catagory that is??

 

That would be the you're an idiot category. 

Shocking comment from robirt. You'll never learn will you player fan.

 You can argue all the small points you want -Just 2 questions I will ask again.

After 5 years of drafting why is this O-LIne so bad? That is more than enough time to build a O-Line? They don't even have ONE dominate player on that line. There is NO answer that any Ted supporter can give for this that makes Ted look good because it is a problem. 

He is not a great Drafter-Just review all his Drafts and you will see that he is really no better then average. You have to be a lot better then average if that is your calling card and what you hang your hat on. Do you think that Ted is a Great and by "great" I mean top 5 in the NFL? If so, offer me your arguement?

 The team is average-maybe a little bit above, but clearly not one of the top 8-or 10. As I have said before if being mediocre is your goal for this team I can understand why you like him. If you think they are better then that you are delusional. He has had 5 years of drating, and he has two big hits from that -AR and Jennings (although Jennings has been a shell of himself thus far).

I tend to think that people in this state are pretty used to settling for mediocrity- in fact that isn't bad when you consider the Bucks and Brewers history. 

Destinos2:

 You can argue all the small points you want -Just 2 questions I will ask again.

After 5 years of drafting why is this O-LIne so bad? That is more than enough time to build a O-Line? They don't even have ONE dominate player on that line. There is NO answer that any Ted supporter can give for this that makes Ted look good because it is a problem. 

He is not a great Drafter-Just review all his Drafts and you will see that he is really no better then average. You have to be a lot better then average if that is your calling card and what you hang your hat on. Do you think that Ted is a Great and by "great" I mean top 5 in the NFL? If so, offer me your arguement?

 The team is average-maybe a little bit above, but clearly not one of the top 8-or 10. As I have said before if being mediocre is your goal for this team I can understand why you like him. If you think they are better then that you are delusional. He has had 5 years of drating, and he has two big hits from that -AR and Jennings (although Jennings has been a shell of himself thus far).

I tend to think that people in this state are pretty used to settling for mediocrity- in fact that isn't bad when you consider the Bucks and Brewers history. 

Excellent post. Regarding the OL, Sitton is decent and Lang may be OK some day, because at least he looks like he cares when he gets beat. Barbre is awful. Colledge, Spitz, and Wells are below average most days and average on their best days. They are all veterans and will not get better. Clifton and Tauscher are old and broken down. TT's drafts are below average. The team is average. Many, many on this board and sorry to say it many Wisconsinites are apparently OK with mediocrity. They get excited by wins over the NFL doormats like the Rams, Lions, and Browns (watch how excited many will be after we throttle the Bucs Sunday) and make silly excuses for losses against what are clearly better teams like the Vikings. No one is held accountable and I predict we will go into 2010 with 35-36 Ted Thompson running the show once again. Sad.

"Favre" is the 12th word in this thread.

 

LOL

 

 

etorkelson:

The team is average. Many, many on this board and sorry to say it many Wisconsinites are apparently OK with mediocrity. They get excited by wins over the NFL doormats like the Rams, Lions, and Browns (watch how excited many will be after we throttle the Bucs Sunday) and make silly excuses for losses against what are clearly better teams like the Vikings. No one is held accountable and I predict we will go into 2010 with 35-36 Ted Thompson running the show once again. Sad.

 

In general the fans in this state do "settle" -Brewers had '82 and nothing of consequence since (26 years of not making the post season)- when the Brewers have a big time player there's a very good chance he will leave because we can't afford him. The Bucks have sucked with one of two exceptions since the 80's. The college team sucked for a long time -MU had the AL McGwire runs in the 70's, Alvarez and Bo recently at Madison, but that is fleeting again. -The college teams have NEVER been national powers in the two major sports. The one thing that this state had that got national attention was the GB Packers in the Lombardi days. Then the Ron Wolf and Brett Favre era came and once again the nation looked at the little town to the north. That was the one team that fans in this state seemed to demand more from-By sticking by conservative/I'm not going to use free agency/I'll sit on my hands and wait approach with trades- This team is heading for sustained mediocrity-heck what am I sayng "heading" we've been achieving it the last 5 years under Ted.

How about the 4th group that thinks we're better off w/ out BF or TT?  Oh, I guess I'm it...Sorry:(

 The oline is tough to judge.  Is it the scheme, the coaching, or the players?  I know TT drafted guys that were supposed to be good at the ZBS scheme cause we've been told that time and again.  Personally, I think its the scheme.  ZBS sucks, and we only went with it because it would be easier to find lineman, and we didn't even keep the guy that was supposed to teach it.    Thats my opinion though, you could easily say the players just aren't very good or that the coaches teaching it aren't or some combination of all 3.    

aegisfc:

 Ted never had much support. People want a GM who acts like Mike Sherman and signs anyone that's had one decent year to a huge contract. Fans don't like to get into the numbers of the cap, they just want "Player X" signed. Mike Wahle was the best example, everyone (including a certain QB) wanted him kept. But the team had 1.25 million in cap dollars as of March 1st 2005, and Wahle was due an 11.5 million escalator June 1st (thank you Mr. Sherman). Where was the other 10 million coming from to pay him?

Because of Mike's mismanagement of the salary cap TT couldn't really delve into free agency in his first two years. Since then I would have liked to see more free agent moves, but also understand not going crazy in free agency and ending up like the Raiders, dumping veterans because you have no money to pay them one year, then the next year overpaying someone else (Javon Walker comes to mind).

 As for the draft, he's definitely been below average, especially picking linemen. I think he's done a good job at getting skill players but should probably let someone else evaluate the trench players.

I disagree about TT re: evaluating lineman.. It is very rare that a OL comes into the draft fully formed.  That leads to what I think is the real problem think the big problem with the OL and that is James Campen. He hasn't developed a single lineman on this team. I want to see a competent OL coach get a crack at these lineman before I say TT can't evaluate the position.

Destinos2:

bp:

Destinos2:

Packer nation had been split into two main factions- 1 The Favre supporters  2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted

Says who? I'd say it's still nearly exclusively divided into Ted-apologists and Ted-skeptical. Why would I have to choose to be a Favre hater or Favre supporter? He doesnt play for my team.

 

all frickin right 1. Anti-Favre 2. Pro-Favre MOST people were on one of these then you have the last two posters 3.  Don't care- just cheer for the team .

Thanks for getting caught in the detail and missing the bigger point.  Why don't you just comment of the font we're using and completely miss the point.

No. You're completely missing MY point. I totally disagree with your premise. The two camps that many here are divided into have far more to do with the team TT has built after five years - his drafting, and not using FA or trades. It has absolutely nothing to do with Favre. Favre hasn't been on our team for two years!

Destinos2:

I'm only going to isolate this sentence because quite frankly the rest is pure BS-this is what some Die Hard go down with the ship Ted Supporters like to say in defense of Ted's non-commitment to free agency. 

 

Go back and reread my post. I said I'd like to see him doing more in free agency since then, and don't like how he's drafted at the non-skill positions.

 

cpk1994:

aegisfc:

 Ted never had much support. People want a GM who acts like Mike Sherman and signs anyone that's had one decent year to a huge contract. Fans don't like to get into the numbers of the cap, they just want "Player X" signed. Mike Wahle was the best example, everyone (including a certain QB) wanted him kept. But the team had 1.25 million in cap dollars as of March 1st 2005, and Wahle was due an 11.5 million escalator June 1st (thank you Mr. Sherman). Where was the other 10 million coming from to pay him?

Because of Mike's mismanagement of the salary cap TT couldn't really delve into free agency in his first two years. Since then I would have liked to see more free agent moves, but also understand not going crazy in free agency and ending up like the Raiders, dumping veterans because you have no money to pay them one year, then the next year overpaying someone else (Javon Walker comes to mind).

 As for the draft, he's definitely been below average, especially picking linemen. I think he's done a good job at getting skill players but should probably let someone else evaluate the trench players.

I disagree about TT re: evaluating lineman.. It is very rare that a OL comes into the draft fully formed.  That leads to what I think is the real problem think the big problem with the OL and that is James Campen. He hasn't developed a single lineman on this team. I want to see a competent OL coach get a crack at these lineman before I say TT can't evaluate the position.

 

I'm just looking at the linemen he's drafted, Spitz is average , College the same if he plays guard, horrible at tackle. Sitton the jury is out on Barbre so far the jury wants him hung. Lang could be good, the same guys who he held to no sacks in Cleveland gave Orland Pace fits last week. Giacomini can't get active half the time much less on the field. And there's as long a list that isn't on the roster anymore. Yes, some of it is coaching, but some of it is just the wrong guys.

Kinda funny ain't it the way things get framed in the beginning and so many people are comfortable in the box? There are only Packer Fans. But now we have a few crybabies who can't figure out what that means.

one of the best posts ever about the fan attitude on WISCONSIN SPORTS..

Destinos2:

etorkelson:

The team is average. Many, many on this board and sorry to say it many Wisconsinites are apparently OK with mediocrity. They get excited by wins over the NFL doormats like the Rams, Lions, and Browns (watch how excited many will be after we throttle the Bucs Sunday) and make silly excuses for losses against what are clearly better teams like the Vikings. No one is held accountable and I predict we will go into 2010 with 35-36 Ted Thompson running the show once again. Sad.

 

In general the fans in this state do "settle" -Brewers had '82 and nothing of consequence since (26 years of not making the post season)- when the Brewers have a big time player there's a very good chance he will leave because we can't afford him. The Bucks have sucked with one of two exceptions since the 80's. The college team sucked for a long time -MU had the AL McGwire runs in the 70's, Alvarez and Bo recently at Madison, but that is fleeting again. -The college teams have NEVER been national powers in the two major sports. The one thing that this state had that got national attention was the GB Packers in the Lombardi days. Then the Ron Wolf and Brett Favre era came and once again the nation looked at the little town to the north. That was the one team that fans in this state seemed to demand more from-By sticking by conservative/I'm not going to use free agency/I'll sit on my hands and wait approach with trades- This team is heading for sustained mediocrity-heck what am I sayng "heading" we've been achieving it the last 5 years under Ted.

the "true believers" think that we should just be happy that we have a team in Green Bay.. they don't have to win..but just to be there.. that's good enough.. Heck we won a Super bowl in the past 10 years.. We can wait another 20 for it to happen again.. and in the mean time, keep filling that stadium.. and paying those bonus seat licenses.. of $1500...per seat..  that's good enough..

 

we don't care if the team is 6-10.. that's good enough for us.. or that the only teams we can possibly beat are the absolute dregs of the league.. Hey those are "big wins".. and this team is CONFIDENT.. and ready to go..

they are the Packers and they are always perfect in every way..  Gees can't we bring back that nice Dan Devine.. he was a great guy... and he let Bart be a coach and every thing..

and he knew how to make trades..

Boy isn't David Whitehurst available.. or Eric Torkleson?

yountnstarr:

robertj44:

yountnstarr:

I'll always agree with Thompson on the farve issue. He did yhe right thing by not playing the mind games anymore. It's the other moves that have me thinking he may not be the man for the job. Not sure what catagory that is??

 

That would be the you're an idiot category. 

Shocking comment from robirt. You'll never learn will you player fan.

 

Brilliant comeback, you're a fukkking joke.