prime311:

jaymo:

The point is, (looking puddyhomer's way) if you want to pretend that the bad calls don't exist when they go your way.  Then don't act like they exist when they go against you.

 

 

I cut you a lot of slack Jaymo and I'm disappointed you fail to even acknowledge my post while going on like what I said isn't true.  

I usually don't pay attention to anything someone says unless they have 1000+ posts.

Sorry.  What did I miss?

jaymo:

I usually don't pay attention to anything someone says unless they have 1000+ posts.

Kinda surprising considering how long I've been posting here.   Just 77 to go though.  I'm over 13k posts on IGN, but I don't have much reason to post there anymore. 

jaymo:

So you're all for it if they go against the packers but if they go against Dallas then they aren't even worthy of a response?

So you're all for it if it goes against the Packers and against it when it doesn't?  Funny game isn't jay?

jaymo:

If you want to start a thread about that play I will be happy to opine on it for you.  But stop looking like a whiny little baby and try to stay on topic for once.

You sure have spent a lot of time on it, haven't you?  for a guy who's team wasn't even involved....

so consumed!

puddyellow:

So you're all for it if it goes against the Packers and against it when it doesn't?  Funny game isn't jay?

 

  I realize that bad calls happen to every team.  I can accept it when it happens to the Vikings and acknowledge it when it happens to the opponent.  You won't.  That's the difference.

You sure have spent a lot of time on it, haven't you?  for a guy who's team wasn't even involved....

so consumed!

 

There's not much to talk about at 8-1.  Just a lot of back slapping that I don't really partake in.  Too much season left.  I'd rather hang out here and wait for the collapse.  The arm falling off.  The untimely interception.  The playoff choke.

 

You don't mind, do you?

prime311:

Kinda surprising considering how long I've been posting here.   Just 77 to go though.  I'm over 13k posts on IGN, but I don't have much reason to post there anymore.

Just doing you a favor.

ignore the troll.

Thanks for the link, prime.

I would only suggest that the application of this rule is possibly discretionary.  There are lots of red flags that are tossed when plays aren't reviewable by definition or after the 2:00 mark.  Obviously, this has happened in the past...was the rule applied in those cases?  Ever?  I have never seen this take place.

It is not like the NFL to avoid commenting on misapplication of rules and penalties.  A 15 yard miss should have been one of those explanations that the head of officials releases each week.  Why not?

McCarthy did have one of his reviews reversed.  Did the ref have to explain that his first review (goal line-area spot) was not reversed?  Thereby, allowing for some leeway when he threw the flag?  (you get a third challenge if the first two are reversed)

Jay...you ever see this penalty enforced?

jaymo:

I realize that bad calls happen to every team.  I can accept it when it happens to the Vikings and acknowledge it when it happens to the opponent.  You won't.  That's the difference.

You miss the boat.  I don't have to explain to you my interpretation of calls to you.  I accept bad calls routinely and I recognize them when they go in our favor.  We may have benefited this week.  We may have been wounded by them last week.

Make no mistake....you are not the standard-bearer of objectivity.

I admit that I have bias.  You don't.  That's the difference.

We're simply debating the call.  A couple of douchebags would like to make it the centerpiece of our victory Sunday.

As for you, you still fail to acknowledge that (1) it was not a catch and the Cowboys benefited by it.  and (2) they still got to first and goal and threw an interception.  Penalty or not....the Cowboys failed, not the refs.

puddyellow:

Thanks for the link, prime.

I would only suggest that the application of this rule is possibly discretionary.  There are lots of red flags that are tossed when plays aren't reviewable by definition or after the 2:00 mark.  Obviously, this has happened in the past...was the rule applied in those cases?  Ever?  I have never seen this take place.

It is not like the NFL to avoid commenting on misapplication of rules and penalties.  A 15 yard miss should have been one of those explanations that the head of officials releases each week.  Why not?

McCarthy did have one of his reviews reversed.  Did the ref have to explain that his first review (goal line-area spot) was not reversed?  Thereby, allowing for some leeway when he threw the flag?  (you get a third challenge if the first two are reversed)

Jay...you ever see this penalty enforced?

 

Can you understand the difference in throwing a challenge flag when the review may not be challengeable and throwing a challenge flag when you have no more challenges left?

Huge difference.

Hell, most of the refs aren't even sure what can and can not be challenged.

I've never seen another coach throw a challenge flag when he didn't have any left, so no, I've never seen the penalty called.

the truth:

the Packers were extremely lucky to have the ref's on their side yesterday. in Fact it may have been the desiding factor..  clearly.. the Dallas player had control of the ball and was touched down, before the ball was ripped away from him..

 

and the NFL office called the booth to explain, that yes it was a bad call, but could not be reviewed.

 

giving the Packers a situation where they could not be beat..

You are something else man, I don't spend much time here and it is clear that you are a troll.

 That would've been a very difficult call for the ref to make since the time between posession and the strip was so short.

 technically you are right, they missed the call.

puddyellow:

I would only suggest that the application of this rule is possibly discretionary.  There are lots of red flags that are tossed when plays aren't reviewable by definition or after the 2:00 mark.  Obviously, this has happened in the past...was the rule applied in those cases?  Ever?  I have never seen this take place.

Its application isn't discretionary, a rule is a rule.  I've never seen it enforced though.  I've seen coaches throw the flag before when they were out of timeouts, which should also incur a penalty, and I've yet to see one given(bolded for Jaymo).  The main difference between this game and other times I've seen it happen is that the Ref actually went to review it before realizing the mistake, usually they just say blah blah can't be challenged because of blah blah.  I believe the league has told the officials to be pretty lenient when it comes to replay reviews and as a result this particular rule isn't probably enforced properly.  Of course, now since the rule has affected the Cowboys, expect Jerry Jones to huff and puff and get the league to mandate it being enforced properly. 

jaymo:

Can you understand the difference in throwing a challenge flag when the review may not be challengeable and throwing a challenge flag when you have no more challenges left?

Yeah, I know the difference clownshoes.  The point that went over your head is that flags come out and the refs routinely have to go over and explain that they can't be used.

jaymo:

Hell, most of the refs aren't even sure what can and can not be challenged.

Wow....you DO get it!!!!

jaymo:

I've never seen another coach throw a challenge flag when he didn't have any left, so no, I've never seen the penalty called.

Obviously it has happened.  I would love to see where it was applied.

puddyellow:

clownshoes. 

I'm growing on you, puddy!!!!

jaymo:

 And there's more..........

 

 

Dallas coach Wade Phillips says the officiating crew that worked the Cowboys' game in Green Bay on Sunday made some errors that turned out to be costly in his team's loss to the Packers.

Phillips says the officials failed to see it -- and then failed to review it -- when Packers punt returner Tramon Williams stepped out of bounds with 42 seconds left in the first half. According to Phillips, that gave the Packers a free seven yards to help set up their field goal as time expired in the first half.

"It was a seven-yard difference, and the guy ended up kicking a 52-yard field goal," Phillips said, per Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com. "So things like that happened to us and we've got to find out why."

Yet, the officials missed an OBVIOUS offsides call on the Dallas defense just a couple plays later.  Even Joe Buck pointed it out.

Just break out the old Kleenex for Wade - cry over a call that was missed AGAINST you, then ignore the missed call that happens a short time later that went FOR you....

Edit...Just went back to look at the play where Dallas should have been called for offsides - the result?

(Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass short right to B.Jackson to DAL 30 for -3 yards (B.James).

So....the Packers got hosed out of EIGHT yards....

Wade should pick his battles carefully......

prime311:

Its application isn't discretionary, a rule is a rule.

I disagree.  Emphasis on certain rules and interpretation happens all the time.  It should be applied the same every time and this one should fall under the obvious.  But, I can see a ref saying to the coach...you're out of challenges, it's a penalty if you do it again (allowing for some leeway out of a harsh penalty).

prime311:

I've never seen it enforced though.  I've seen coaches throw the flag before when they were out of timeouts, which should also incur a penalty, and I've yet to see one given.  The main difference between this game and other times I've seen it happen is that the Ref actually went to review it before realizing the mistake, usually they just say blah blah can't be challenged because of blah blah.  I believe the league has told the officials to be pretty lenient when it comes to replay reviews and as a result this particular rule isn't probably enforced properly.  Of course, now since the rule has affected the Cowboys, expect Jerry Jones to huff and puff and get the league to mandate it being enforced properly. 

Agree with all of this.

jaymo:

puddyellow:

clownshoes. 

 

 

I'm growing on you, puddy!!!!

It was a good time to pull out something lame.