Daubs:

jaymo:

 And there's more..........

 

 

Dallas coach Wade Phillips says the officiating crew that worked the Cowboys' game in Green Bay on Sunday made some errors that turned out to be costly in his team's loss to the Packers.

Phillips says the officials failed to see it -- and then failed to review it -- when Packers punt returner Tramon Williams stepped out of bounds with 42 seconds left in the first half. According to Phillips, that gave the Packers a free seven yards to help set up their field goal as time expired in the first half.

"It was a seven-yard difference, and the guy ended up kicking a 52-yard field goal," Phillips said, per Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com. "So things like that happened to us and we've got to find out why."

Yet, the officials missed an OBVIOUS offsides call on the Dallas defense just a couple plays later.  Even Joe Buck pointed it out.

Just break out the old Kleenex for Wade - cry over a call that was missed AGAINST you, then ignore the missed call that happens a short time later that went FOR you....

There were two gross neutral zone infractions that were missed (lined up offside).  Both on the left side of the line.  One led to a sack from that particular player.

It is a 15 yard personal foul to challeneg a pay with no-timeouts.  It is up to the refs to let coaches know if they havethe right or not to challenge, MM did nto have the right to challenge, but because he had a timeout would not be assessed a penalty.   The ball is then marked off for 15 yards and the clock is started. 

This call or no call did not effect the games outcome.  Even had the Cowboys scored they still needed two more to tie.

As for the fumble.  The rules were enforced correctly.  Now being a homer I feel that the call would not have been overturned upon review.  Jones did fall on the ball, but when Jolly hit him the ball was not secured so he was able to get his hands on it.  Unlike a reception a tie does not go to the offense.  There would not have been irrefutable evidence to overturn the call.   There was nothing in the replay that showed Jones had total control of the ball.  When he landed he grabbed the ball,  then Jolly hit and got his arms in, and when they rolled over both had the ball and it popped up.  There si no way that the ref would have been able to determine if Jones had complete control of the ball when he first landed on it, if he had Jolly would not havebeen able to get his hand in there.

puddyellow:

Daubs:

jaymo:

 And there's more..........

 

 

Dallas coach Wade Phillips says the officiating crew that worked the Cowboys' game in Green Bay on Sunday made some errors that turned out to be costly in his team's loss to the Packers.

Phillips says the officials failed to see it -- and then failed to review it -- when Packers punt returner Tramon Williams stepped out of bounds with 42 seconds left in the first half. According to Phillips, that gave the Packers a free seven yards to help set up their field goal as time expired in the first half.

"It was a seven-yard difference, and the guy ended up kicking a 52-yard field goal," Phillips said, per Calvin Watkins of ESPNDallas.com. "So things like that happened to us and we've got to find out why."

Yet, the officials missed an OBVIOUS offsides call on the Dallas defense just a couple plays later.  Even Joe Buck pointed it out.

Just break out the old Kleenex for Wade - cry over a call that was missed AGAINST you, then ignore the missed call that happens a short time later that went FOR you....

There were two gross neutral zone infractions that were missed (lined up offside).  Both on the left side of the line.  One led to a sack from that particular player.

I've read in other places that Dallas was even committing neutral zone infractions on offense, too....but none were called.....

the truth:

I love this "blind loyalty..".. its okay since we scored and we won.. had it been against us.. the boards would be full of screaming.

it would have been 3-17.. and if Dallas failed to convert, a punt.. but not a gift scoring opportunity..

 

it was completely wrong. and the Packers should have been nailed 15 yards on McCarthy's third challenge request.

 

its just telling the truth.

 

and sometimes the truth is hard to bear..

You would be the first one on the board yelling at people if they were complaining about a call costing us the game, so because we benefited from one it shouldn't count?  Not to mention that the defense had total control of that game.  It wasn't like the ensuing touchdown broke a tie or brought us from behind.  The Dallas defense also could have kept us out of the end zone.

Bad calls happen and are part of the game.  I don't like it when people say we lost the game because of a call, I can't believe a supposed Packer Fan would be complaining that we benefited from a call. 

no but this touchdown makes it 3 scores and not 2..  so if Dallas scores and gets the onside kick.. anything could happen, including a 60, 70 yard field goal.. in despiration lots of things can happen..

this one play, clearly can be labeled as the turning point of the game. and its clearly a case where the ref's screwed up..

and to be blind to it, is insane.. it was a gift.. a gift touchdown.. and you all know it.. 

 listen, if the defense earns a touch down I say it. but in this case they DID NOT EARN IT. not legitimately. and its out there for all to see.

It's weird.  They put the points on the board....

I'd say they earned it.  Stop with the excuses, putz.

Truthy these type of calls happen in EVERY game, you can't pick and choose when you are going to spout off about it.  Either you think that bad calls happen and is part of the game and you move on, or you *** about every bad call and throw yourself a pity party.

But you will complain about others using bad calls as an excuse and then turn around and point to a bad call as a reason we won the game.  Could we have a little consistency here!!

 Answer this question please.  In real time did you think that the Dallas player recovered the ball and had possession, because I didn't.  It does look like on replay, that is the case, but you can't replay it.  I think that call is much less of a mistake, than missing an obvious hold, or calling a penalty that isn't there.  That play happened in a split second and the ref made the call as best he did.  If anyone wants to complain, they should complain abut the fact that it isn't reviewable! 

Creepy:

It is a 15 yard personal foul to challeneg a pay with no-timeouts.  It is up to the refs to let coaches know if they havethe right or not to challenge, MM did nto have the right to challenge, but because he had a timeout would not be assessed a penalty.  

Wow you know what, now that you mention this I think I do remember seeing a game where this exact scenario happened and the team throwing the flag was charged a timeout.  I'm not sure its what the rulebook calls for, but is probably how it has been assessed. 

 It was horrible officiating all game long, not a shocker.  Romo threw a pass when he was across the line of scrimmage, but that was not called.  Missed/bad calls happen all the time.

out in va:

 It was horrible officiating all game long, not a shocker.  Romo threw a pass when he was across the line of scrimmage, but that was not called.  Missed/bad calls happen all the time.

You know...I do remember that play now...he was a good yard over the LOS, too.....

Daubs:

Romo threw a pass when he was across the line of scrimmage, but that was not called.  Missed/bad calls happen all the time.

If the pass had been completed, and at the time I think GB still had a challenge left, they could have thrown the flag to overturn the play.

mjenzie:

In real time did you think that the Dallas player recovered the ball and had possession, because I didn't.  It does look like on replay, that is the case, but you can't replay it.

Even on re[lay it shows him land on it, Jolly hit him and when they roll over they both have posession.  You cannot clearly define, even in replay, if Jones had control of the ball when he initially jumped on it.  That is why it isn't reviewable.  How many times do we see guys go into the pile and it looks like somebody has it, only to see somebody else come up with it.  Some times it is taken away in the pile, in others the initial man did not have control and lost it.  IMO, Play stands even if reveiwed.

Everyone does realize that we're discussing a bunch of bad calls because of the crew right? Was the fumble call a bad call? Probably. Was Williams out on his punt return, probably? Was the Harris face mask a personal foul? Probably not (it was called that way)? A horrendous call not made, on the Rodgers fumble that was negated by the hands to the face Scandrick clearly had a helmet to helmet on Rodgers (any contact to the helmet on a QB should be 15, not just helmet to helmet). Did the Packers get more of the bad calls, probably (I didn't see every one).

That said, Tripplette's crew was so inept this past week, between missing obvious penalties, calling penalties that didn't exist, and twice allowing challenges initially that shouldn't have been allowed, they should be suspended. Abslutely horrible

I think the league, NFL Network and the so called analyst contribute to the bad officiating.  Before the game, duringthe game and after each flag all youheard was that GB was #1 and dallas was #2 in penalties.  I believe that refs come in expecting to throw flags because of reputation, rather than seeing an actual penalty.  Then when they goofed up, theytend to overlook the next penalty on that same team. 

Maybe they didn't call the one penalty because they thought they blew a different one or vice versa they call a a penakty on one team because they blew the call against the opposition.  The problem with this is that blown calls against the offense doesn't always become crtitical, but those illegal contact, PIs, and holding penalties on defense all result in first downs.

IMO, no one team got the upper hand on bad calls.  Actually GB did more to keep drives going even after penalties and that is what helped win the game.  The offense moved the ball, ate the clock, and when they punted the Cowboys didn't start in GB territory.  

IMO, GB will still get a lot of flags thrown at them this year, because the NFL has given them the reputation for being penalized.  This means they look harder at GB and the close calls that many time won't be called will be called on GB.  Not because they catually have it in for GB, but the reputation is there.  It is no different than when they called Harris & Woodson in your face DBs.   The refs culdn't wait to pull the hanky out on any contact, and they were unjustly penalized when WRs ran directly into them and they were backing up.

The only way to fix this is to have professional refs, where you make enough mistakes you don't have a job.  Professional refs will tell Brady, TO, Manning and even Favre to shut up and get into the huddle.   Too many times whether it is real or not flags are thrown because a superstar whines.  The problem is that some back-judge throws the flagg and wasn't in postion to make the call.  The best example is when GB played dallas in 2007, harris takes the ball from TO, but the ref down field and away from the play blows his whistle and say's Owens was out of bounds.  The Ref at the play was overuled by somebody 30 yards down field.  This usually happens with superstar offesniveplayers, just like roughing the passer calls if it is Manning or Brady, but because GBs line is so bad any hit on Rodgers is considered legal.

Unless they go to professional refs, it willnot change.  lets just hopethat they don't cost GB a game down the road.