BenderTheOffender:

Hopefully his marajuana charge doesn't overshadow his back-to-back cy's

It certainly does cloud the issue....

Einsteinhood:

BenderTheOffender:

Hopefully his marajuana charge doesn't overshadow his back-to-back cy's

It certainly does cloud the issue....

Boo to that joke.

Jim Breen:

Einsteinhood:

BenderTheOffender:

Hopefully his marajuana charge doesn't overshadow his back-to-back cy's

It certainly does cloud the issue....

Boo to that joke.

Bad puns and drugs go hand in hand like politicians and hookers.

BTW, here is Keith Law's actual ballot. As you might guess, there are a pile of irate Cards fans at this.

Please, feel free to mock all the stupid contained within.

klwillis45:

Please, feel free to mock all the stupid contained within.

 

I only read about half because I knew where it was going... but, his points are Wainwright has more wins, and he says something like isn't that the point of playing? Is he seriously a writer?

The second point, he admits Lincecum was as good as Carpenter, and played the full season, and then his counter-point is "he faded down the stretch" in September he was 1-3 3.50 ERA. Is he referring to his 1-3 record, or his 3.50 ERA in 1 month? Kind of ridiculous.

http://twitter.com/keithlaw/status/5867133038

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/bryanburwell/story/3C87D5BC1B0134E8862576740017024D?OpenDocument

klwillis45:

Please, feel free to mock all the stupid contained within.

Apparently he doesn't read around the intertubes much, because Keith Law was one of the two who left Carpenter off his ballot, and yet this clown assumes "local love" was in play here? All he has to do is READ and he'll find out who and why they did what they did.

Ultimately, this is pandering to a fanbase that is still bitter about being ousted way earlier than they expected.

klwillis45:

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/bryanburwell/story/3C87D5BC1B0134E8862576740017024D?OpenDocument

Why don't wins count anymore?

By Bryan Burwell

ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH

11/20/2009

Of all the many mysteries surrounding our national pastime, none is more baffling than the rather peculiar obsession by so many who profess a love of baseball who repeatedly try to turn this wonderfully simple game into a mind-numbing, highfalutin' brain twister.

So someone is going to have to help me on this one.

When did pitching victories become passé?

This just makes me sad. I mean, the pandering is bad enough, but he really doesn't get it and that is just pathetic in this day and age.

 

 The reaction to the Cy voting is just depressing. I forget how far we have to go sometimes, because the people around here tend to be smarter than the average bear. Then I look out on the overall landscape and shudder.

The wins thing is really galling, because it's such an obviously flawed measurement of what it purports to measure and yet it's clung too so fiercely.

Einsteinhood:

 The reaction to the Cy voting is just depressing. I forget how far we have to go sometimes, because the people around here tend to be smarter than the average bear. Then I look out on the overall landscape and shudder.

The wins thing is really galling, because it's such an obviously flawed measurement of what it purports to measure and yet it's clung too so fiercely.

Completely agree.  I'll argue with people until I'm blue in the face why wins are such an overrated stat, but they still don't get it.  It annoys me to no end.

TheEraser:

Einsteinhood:

 The reaction to the Cy voting is just depressing. I forget how far we have to go sometimes, because the people around here tend to be smarter than the average bear. Then I look out on the overall landscape and shudder.

The wins thing is really galling, because it's such an obviously flawed measurement of what it purports to measure and yet it's clung too so fiercely.

Completely agree.  I'll argue with people until I'm blue in the face why wins are such an overrated stat, but they still don't get it.  It annoys me to no end.

It is the worst and it's so damn obvious. This wasn't a revelation I had after reading Moneyball or something, I figured this one out on my own. I mean anyone who has a 100 level stats class is going to have it drilled in their head that a measure is only worth a damn if it measures what it claims to. Anyone who watches baseball on a regular basis can tell you all the things that get in the way of pitchers win loss records actually reflecting how well they pitched. The problem is that so many people refuse to use their brain and connect the dots and come away with the final conclusion. Tradition is a damned hard thing to overcome.

 You might as well give wins to the other position players rather than the pitcher. Whoever scores or drives in the most runs on the winning team would get the win. I guess you'd have to find the goat who went 0-5 and had 2 errors to take the loss.

 In all seriousness, there should be a requisite quality start in order for a pitcher to log a win, and a quality start should negate a loss being recorded against him.

Einsteinhood:

 The reaction to the Cy voting is just depressing. I forget how far we have to go sometimes, because the people around here tend to be smarter than the average bear. Then I look out on the overall landscape and shudder.

The wins thing is really galling, because it's such an obviously flawed measurement of what it purports to measure and yet it's clung too so fiercely.

 

I agree completely.

I agree on the wins thing, but I think it's ridiculous that any pitchers other than LIncecum, Wainright and Carpenter were named on any ballots.

Einsteinhood:

TheEraser:

Einsteinhood:

 The reaction to the Cy voting is just depressing. I forget how far we have to go sometimes, because the people around here tend to be smarter than the average bear. Then I look out on the overall landscape and shudder.

The wins thing is really galling, because it's such an obviously flawed measurement of what it purports to measure and yet it's clung too so fiercely.

Completely agree.  I'll argue with people until I'm blue in the face why wins are such an overrated stat, but they still don't get it.  It annoys me to no end.

It is the worst and it's so damn obvious. This wasn't a revelation I had after reading Moneyball or something, I figured this one out on my own. I mean anyone who has a 100 level stats class is going to have it drilled in their head that a measure is only worth a damn if it measures what it claims to. Anyone who watches baseball on a regular basis can tell you all the things that get in the way of pitchers win loss records actually reflecting how well they pitched. The problem is that so many people refuse to use their brain and connect the dots and come away with the final conclusion. Tradition is a damned hard thing to overcome.

Yes, but Einstein, there's only one thing that matters in baseball: winning.  You can throw all the other factors out the window if the pitcher can't even win at a .500 clip.  At that point, he's not even a help to the team, he's a hindrance.  Say what you will about Looper, but how in the hell do the Brewers plan to replace his 14 wins next year?