Do you think we're watching them, Favre50?

After watching the Patriots get mauled by Tampa tonight I'll have to go and find a NE board and see if those fans are ready to throw that team under the bus just like some here are ready to do.   

What a silly post Plugger. Tom Brady and Randy Moss were not run out of town. They are Super Bowl contenders everyone knows that. We were Superbowl contenders before the three baffoons got a Banana stuck where the sun does not shine. End of Story.

ace_maverick:

What a silly post Plugger. Tom Brady and Randy Moss were not run out of town. They are Super Bowl contenders everyone knows that. We were Superbowl contenders before the three baffoons got a Banana stuck where the sun does not shine. End of Story.

The season hasn't even started and yet you keep saying "end of story".

What's the "story"?

My post was meant to show how meaningless these pre-season games are, nothing more.  Moss played in that game but he didn't do much.  Reg, the "story" is folks think because BF was run out of town the Packers are gonna be big losers this season.  They may be right but I'd much rather wait and see what actually happens on the football field. 

I understand about what happens on the field is still anyones guess. It does not look good but things could change. What I am saying is we clearly have disfunctional management  and coaching and thats not going change. Just like a a person who has an addiction, you can't solve the problem til you admint you have a problem. The three baffoons dont see the problems they have created or dont care. Either way til they admit they did somethings very wrong the whole packer organization is goingto struggle and that includes the team.

ace_maverick:

Lamboo posts are the most idiotic post on any message board period.... Look before Brett was traded, everyone was saying Aaron Rodgers was ready to play. Many of you said that he could beat out Brett Favre if they were to compete for the starting position. Lamboo said Rodgers was better than Favre over and over.

Aaron Rodgers has had 1000's of reps over that last 3  1/2 years. Most of these Reps were with the first team offense becuase we all know Brett did not practice much in the off seasons or inbetween regular season games. So with 1000's of reps this is the best show so far. Someone please tell me how long we have to listen to excuses as it relates to Rodgers play?  1 full seaon, 2 full seaons? How long? 

As for Donald Driver, maybe we should now trade him to the Jets. Soon he will be the excuse for all you TT disciples and I am sure he will be to old etc etc so why not just trade him now.

This whole mess was started by the three baffoons and mark my words, it will get worse. Liars and cheaters never win in the long run.

Rodgers rarely took snaps with the 1st team during the season. And I doubt he has taken 1000's of snaps with the 1st team in the off-season.

How many people on this board said Rodgers was better than Favre right now? How many, Ace?

Not everyone is making excuses for Rodgers. They just know he isn't Brett Favre and they just want to give Rodgers a chance and don't base their opinions on someone based on two pre-season games. 

ace_maverick:

I understand about what happens on the field is still anyones guess. It does not look good but things could change. What I am saying is we clearly have disfunctional management  and coaching and thats not going change. Just like a a person who has an addiction, you can't solve the problem til you admint you have a problem. The three baffoons dont see the problems they have created or dont care. Either way til they admit they did somethings very wrong the whole packer organization is goingto struggle and that includes the team.

Is that the same dysfunctional management and coaching that brought this team within a few plays of the Super Bowl last year?

And you say whatever happens on the field is anyone's guess, but then you say that something is very wrong. You already made up your mind and no matter how well the team does, your opinion won't change. 

ace_maverick:

Lamboo said Rodgers was better than Favre over and over.

Show me ONE instance where I said AR was better than Brett?

I said over and over that there was ONE QB committed to playing for the Packers, AR.

As anyone can plainly see you're the one who's factually (and literacy) challenged...

I'll wait patiently for you to dredge up those posts... WHILE I'm waiting for the evidence that TT drove Brett out of town.

(sound of crickets chirping)

 

lamboo:

ace_maverick:

Lamboo said Rodgers was better than Favre over and over.

Show me ONE instance where I said AR was better than Brett?

I said over and over that there was ONE QB committed to playing for the Packers, AR.

As anyone can plainly see you're the one who's factually (and literacy) challenged...

I'll wait patiently for you to dredge up those posts... WHILE I'm waiting for the evidence that TT drove Brett out of town.

(sound of crickets chirping)

 

Don't forget your multiple screen names...

Unfortunately, I was unable to watch the game this weekend here in KC.  However, the stats line tells me 2 things - the offensive line was awful again, and our defense struggled.  But I pulled up Packers.com and found this little tidbit: 

The following Packers players will not play in tonight's game:
25 RB Ryan Grant
26 S Charlie Peprah
42 RB DeShawn Wynn
50 LB A.J. Hawk
55 LB Desmond Bishop
69 T Orrin Thompson
79 DT Ryan Pickett
82 WR Ruvell Martin
84 TE Tory Humphrey
85 WR Greg Jennings
91 DT Justin Harrell
94 DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila

Starting Lineup Changes:
Jason Spitz will start at LG.
Josh Sitton will start at RG.
James Jones will start for WR Greg Jennings.
Donald Driver will start for WR James Jones.
RB Brandon Jackson will start for Ryan Grant.
Colin Cole will start at LDT for Ryan Pickett.
Brandon Chillar will start at WILL for A.J. Hawk.

Looks like we had a number of starters not play, or were playing at different positions.  Not that I'm trying to make excuses, but looks like the coaches were trying a few different combinations while some players were sitting out the game. 

My second point was that while we need to be cautious about how this game went for us and what it could mean for the regular season, let's look at how a couple of other teams played this week.  Let's see, Dallas got beat by Denver 23-13 (Romo was 6/9 for 33 yards, not much better stats than Rodgers); TB Bucs thumped New England 27-10 (no Brady); so other top teams didn't do very well either (but still better than Green Bay looked, but then again Green Bay had just played on Monday night and had a shorter turn-around time than others).  But seriously, the preseason game that always has the most meaning is the 3rd one, where we can usually expect the starters to play at least the entire first half.  Friday night at Denver should give us a little more insight into how they might look in the regular season.  I said repeatedly that last year's team was an 8-8 squad that got some lucky breaks and ended up 13-3, and with Favre or Rodgers this year I wouldn't expect more than 10-11 wins.  But if the Off-line doesn't get it together soon, it's gonna be a long year.

howardk4:

Unfortunately, I was unable to watch the game this weekend here in KC.  However, the stats line tells me 2 things - the offensive line was awful again, and our defense struggled.  But I pulled up Packers.com and found this little tidbit: 

The following Packers players will not play in tonight's game:
25 RB Ryan Grant
26 S Charlie Peprah
42 RB DeShawn Wynn
50 LB A.J. Hawk
55 LB Desmond Bishop
69 T Orrin Thompson
79 DT Ryan Pickett
82 WR Ruvell Martin
84 TE Tory Humphrey
85 WR Greg Jennings
91 DT Justin Harrell
94 DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila

Starting Lineup Changes:
Jason Spitz will start at LG.
Josh Sitton will start at RG.
James Jones will start for WR Greg Jennings.
Donald Driver will start for WR James Jones.
RB Brandon Jackson will start for Ryan Grant.
Colin Cole will start at LDT for Ryan Pickett.
Brandon Chillar will start at WILL for A.J. Hawk.

Looks like we had a number of starters not play, or were playing at different positions.  Not that I'm trying to make excuses, but looks like the coaches were trying a few different combinations while some players were sitting out the game. 

My second point was that while we need to be cautious about how this game went for us and what it could mean for the regular season, let's look at how a couple of other teams played this week.  Let's see, Dallas got beat by Denver 23-13 (Romo was 6/9 for 33 yards, not much better stats than Rodgers); TB Bucs thumped New England 27-10 (no Brady); so other top teams didn't do very well either (but still better than Green Bay looked, but then again Green Bay had just played on Monday night and had a shorter turn-around time than others).  But seriously, the preseason game that always has the most meaning is the 3rd one, where we can usually expect the starters to play at least the entire first half.  Friday night at Denver should give us a little more insight into how they might look in the regular season.  I said repeatedly that last year's team was an 8-8 squad that got some lucky breaks and ended up 13-3, and with Favre or Rodgers this year I wouldn't expect more than 10-11 wins.  But if the Off-line doesn't get it together soon, it's gonna be a long year.

Howard, there is no talking sense to these people.  They will see what they want to see and they will use Family Night Scrimmages and pres-season games to meet their needs.

azpackfan04:

As I agree with Lamboo on many aspects of this team, I totally disagree that with him that McCarthy will figure all this out.  I think you will find that he is a bit over rated.  With lesser talent with the 49ers and Saints he was an awful offensive coordinator.  With Favre he suddenly went 21-11 in reg season games and APPEARED to suddenly elevated his status. 

 

If you are going to make arguments like this, at least have the facts to back them up.  From NFL.com:

"Subsequently was a highly successful offensive coordinator for the New Orleans Saints (2000-04).

With McCarthy calling plays, the Saints racked up 10 offensive team records and 25 individual marks. He was named NFC Assistant Coach of the Year by USA Today in 2000, and New Orleans led the league with 432 points and 49 touchdowns in 2002."

While you may say that he was overrated, to say that he was awful without the benefit of Favre is inane.

Great stuff Judge.

Even if he had been a "nobody" coordinator, he still had as much early success as, um, Vince Lombardi.  Plus, in his second season, takes us to within a game of the Super Bowl with a bunch of young guys and a much more disciplined quarterback who went 8-8 the year before.

Oh, and won like 14 of 15 games during one stretch.  Including: 06 Super Bowl runner-up, 07 Super Bowl Champion, the AFC west champ, and another Wild Card team.

Yea, we never should have hired him.  I'll admit, I was confused with the hire, but like the way the team has been built and managed, results have shown convincingly we're on the right path.

Thanks Judge for living up to all my expectations.  I love how you only choose to respond about one portion of someone's post and try to come out looking so righteous.  You want to rest on your laurels and say that what he did with Aaron Brooks in New Orleans was spectacular than so be it.  Not much to say about SF and Alex Smith huh?   Naturally if my opinion doesn't jive with yours than of course I'm wrong.  Nice double standard.

  I've included my entire post for you to comment on if you like in case you missed it earlier.  I don't mind a debate, but at least address all the points, or am I to believe that you agree with the other ones?

 

azpackfan04:

I will agree with Lamboo that early drops can change the complexion of the game rapidly and being only limited time to correct for the first team, the game may have looked worse that it was.  However, regardless of drops, protection problems, etc. It is what it is.  Four sacks in a little over a quarter of action cannot happen in the reg season.  I said last week that I thought Rodgers looked pretty good, but the stakes are going up.  The regular season will be here soon enough and the schedule is going to tough.  We have to start looking better as an offensive rhythm.  I don't quite see that yet.  I have often posted that what Favre used to do PRE-SNAP was bascially lost on a lot of supposed good football minds on this board.  There is a reason he took very few sacks in his career here.  Although his achilles heel of throwing into coverage will always be there, he plays on instinct and is never afraid to make a throw.

    I truly believe Rodgers is afraid of making a mistake and will in the long run, hurt his performance.  Once you start thinking that way, you're already in a disadvantage.  Favre did a tremendous job of taking HIS TEAM out of bad plays.  Making protection calls to pick up blitzes, etc.  Checking into a run, or vice versa.  All things Rodgers will learn and do better, but obviously is not even in the league of Favre. 

   As I agree with Lamboo on many aspects of this team, I totally disagree that with him that McCarthy will figure all this out.  I think you will find that he is a bit over rated.  With lesser talent with the 49ers and Saints he was an awful offensive coordinator.  With Favre he suddenly went 21-11 in reg season games and APPEARED to suddenly elevated his status. 

   This will a true test for the team. The schedule is brutal and offense looks real sluggish.  And, I guess I just can't forget how poor of a game he called against the Giants that somehow we still had a very good chance to win.  I will be the first one to admit I was wrong, but I think with McCarthy and the lesser talented football team with Rodgers I think we will see more of what we did in SF and NO.  Wasn't he the guy that was suppossed to develop Alex Smith?