In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers; his unit led by a rookie quarterback (top draft pick Alex Smith), finished the season ranked last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained.

  See Judge,

  I can take just one part of a post too to make a point.

azpackfan04:

In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers; his unit led by a rookie quarterback (top draft pick Alex Smith), finished the season ranked last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained.

 

  See Judge,

  I can take just one part of a post too to make a point.

 

With that team (let by a ROOKIE QB), had MM gotten them anywhere above last in the NFL in offense - that would have been a huge accomplishment.  Let's put it in the proper perspective.

howardk4:

azpackfan04:

In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers; his unit led by a rookie quarterback (top draft pick Alex Smith), finished the season ranked last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained.

 

  See Judge,

  I can take just one part of a post too to make a point.

 

With that team (let by a ROOKIE QB), had MM gotten them anywhere above last in the NFL in offense - that would have been a huge accomplishment.  Let's put it in the proper perspective.

  Nothing like setting that bar real low is there. Anywhere above last?  They were LAST. We have exactly the same situation this year.  Rookie QB, so anything above last will again be a huge accomplishment?  What are you saying?  How successful do we have to be say that it is a successful season.  Just asking a reasonable question.

azpackfan04:

howardk4:

azpackfan04:

In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers; his unit led by a rookie quarterback (top draft pick Alex Smith), finished the season ranked last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained.

 

  See Judge,

  I can take just one part of a post too to make a point.

 

With that team (let by a ROOKIE QB), had MM gotten them anywhere above last in the NFL in offense - that would have been a huge accomplishment.  Let's put it in the proper perspective.

  Nothing like setting that bar real low is there. Anywhere above last?  They were LAST. We have exactly the same situation this year.  Rookie QB, so anything above last will again be a huge accomplishment?  What are you saying?  How successful do we have to be say that it is a successful season.  Just asking a reasonable question.

Now you are taking things out of context.  What I said was for that season for the SF 49ers, they had a bad offense overall, that included a rookie QB, and that given what he had to work with talentwise it would have been a major accomplishment for that offense, with MM as coordinator, to not have finished last in offense.  I was responding to your inference that because that team finished last, that MM might not be that good of a coach.

However, in reference to this year's GB team, while A-Rod is a first year starter, he does have some experience, and while we still have some questions at OL, I believe the talent on this year's GB team is better than the talent at SanFran in 2005.  I do not expect them to finish last in offense, nor do I expect them to finish at the top either.  They finished 2nd in offense last regular season - and while you can attribute some of that to both Favre's performance and McCarthy's coaching, I doubt we finish that high again this season.  A top 10 offense is probably a realistic target.

howardk4:

azpackfan04:

howardk4:

azpackfan04:

In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers; his unit led by a rookie quarterback (top draft pick Alex Smith), finished the season ranked last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained.

 

  See Judge,

  I can take just one part of a post too to make a point.

 

With that team (let by a ROOKIE QB), had MM gotten them anywhere above last in the NFL in offense - that would have been a huge accomplishment.  Let's put it in the proper perspective.

  Nothing like setting that bar real low is there. Anywhere above last?  They were LAST. We have exactly the same situation this year.  Rookie QB, so anything above last will again be a huge accomplishment?  What are you saying?  How successful do we have to be say that it is a successful season.  Just asking a reasonable question.

Now you are taking things out of context.  What I said was for that season for the SF 49ers, they had a bad offense overall, that included a rookie QB, and that given what he had to work with talentwise it would have been a major accomplishment for that offense, with MM as coordinator, to not have finished last in offense.  I was responding to your inference that because that team finished last, that MM might not be that good of a coach.

However, in reference to this year's GB team, while A-Rod is a first year starter, he does have some experience, and while we still have some questions at OL, I believe the talent on this year's GB team is better than the talent at SanFran in 2005.  I do not expect them to finish last in offense, nor do I expect them to finish at the top either.  They finished 2nd in offense last regular season - and while you can attribute some of that to both Favre's performance and McCarthy's coaching, I doubt we finish that high again this season.  A top 10 offense is probably a realistic target.

Top ten overall would be acceptable.  top 10 in NFC won't be.  Every piece is in place for this team to make a deep run in the playoffs according to top management.  They must make as far as the NFC Championship game or this season will be a bust and everyone will be wondering why they took the longshot(Rodgers) instead of the field horse or favorite.  Legitimate reaction I would think. 

azpackfan04:

They must make as far as the NFC Championship game or this season will be a bust and everyone will be wondering why they took the longshot(Rodgers) instead of the field horse or favorite.  Legitimate reaction I would think. 

Thats rich AZ - I think your hero / deliverer Brett would disagree with this assessment.

As it was one of his stated reasons for retiring - that there was no GUARANTEE that he would win a SB with the Packers next season.

So with him gone (his choice) our goals and expectations should be ramped up?

Perhaps... IF your only interest is proving a point that is.

azpackfan04:

howardk4:

azpackfan04:

howardk4:

azpackfan04:

In 2005, McCarthy served as offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers; his unit led by a rookie quarterback (top draft pick Alex Smith), finished the season ranked last in the NFL in points scored and yards gained.

 

  See Judge,

  I can take just one part of a post too to make a point.

 

With that team (let by a ROOKIE QB), had MM gotten them anywhere above last in the NFL in offense - that would have been a huge accomplishment.  Let's put it in the proper perspective.

  Nothing like setting that bar real low is there. Anywhere above last?  They were LAST. We have exactly the same situation this year.  Rookie QB, so anything above last will again be a huge accomplishment?  What are you saying?  How successful do we have to be say that it is a successful season.  Just asking a reasonable question.

Now you are taking things out of context.  What I said was for that season for the SF 49ers, they had a bad offense overall, that included a rookie QB, and that given what he had to work with talentwise it would have been a major accomplishment for that offense, with MM as coordinator, to not have finished last in offense.  I was responding to your inference that because that team finished last, that MM might not be that good of a coach.

However, in reference to this year's GB team, while A-Rod is a first year starter, he does have some experience, and while we still have some questions at OL, I believe the talent on this year's GB team is better than the talent at SanFran in 2005.  I do not expect them to finish last in offense, nor do I expect them to finish at the top either.  They finished 2nd in offense last regular season - and while you can attribute some of that to both Favre's performance and McCarthy's coaching, I doubt we finish that high again this season.  A top 10 offense is probably a realistic target.

Top ten overall would be acceptable.  top 10 in NFC won't be.  Every piece is in place for this team to make a deep run in the playoffs according to top management.  They must make as far as the NFC Championship game or this season will be a bust and everyone will be wondering why they took the longshot(Rodgers) instead of the field horse or favorite.  Legitimate reaction I would think. 

31 teams have a hard time with how their season ends or how it went...every year.  Management feels they can accomplish a division title and a playoff run.  Missing the playoffs would be a bust.  While Rodgers may play some role in such a fate, one could not ignore injuries or other players and units playing below expectation.

To expect a Super Bowl or NFC Championship as your yearly measuring stick is to say the other 15 teams in the conference have nothing to say about it.  Yeah, we want it but it is not easy.

lamboo:

azpackfan04:

They must make as far as the NFC Championship game or this season will be a bust and everyone will be wondering why they took the longshot(Rodgers) instead of the field horse or favorite.  Legitimate reaction I would think. 

 

Thats rich AZ - I think your hero / deliverer Brett would disagree with this assessment.

As it was one of his stated reasons for retiring - that there was no GUARANTEE that he would win a SB with the Packers next season.

So with him gone (his choice) our goals and expectations should be ramped up?

Perhaps... IF your only interest is proving a point that is.

  There never a guarantee, Lamboo.  Every season is different, you never know what will happen.  But, I, like most would always try to play your best hand.  You have to admit that one losing season in 16 is pretty darn good.  Now, with the Packer roster perhaps at its strongest since the SB days, it shouldn't be unrealistic to expect a very good season.  Remember a precedent has been set as well.  Brady and Rothlisberger took their respective teams to the Super Bowl as rookies.  If Rodgers is as good as you seem to think he is and the talent around him that you say is among the best because of the fine work of Thompson.  Why shouldn't us fans expect a deep run?  We got the same line as last year.  Another year of perfecting the ZBS.  We got the best receivers corps in the NFL (aruguably)  And a Hall of Fame coach in McCarthy as you guys have pointed out.  Darn it, I want results.  We don't a bonehead QB to throw into coverage any more and give away games.  What am I missing?

azpackfan04:

What am I missing?

The same patience and perspective you routinely exhibited for our former 1st ballot HOF QB.

Az.....The former 1st ballot HOF QB.

azpackfan04:

 Why shouldn't us fans expect a deep run?  We got the same line as last year.  Another year of perfecting the ZBS.  We got the best receivers corps in the NFL (aruguably)  And a Hall of Fame coach in McCarthy as you guys have pointed out.  Darn it, I want results.  We don't a bonehead QB to throw into coverage any more and give away games.  What am I missing?

Exactly which QB are you talking about?

Don't hold BooBoo's feet to close to the fire there, AZ.  He is a tenderfoot.

CalValleyFan:

Pointeralum2x:

Tampa is correct.  The Packers had 5 days to prepare for this and obviously didn't game plan a lick. 

Again, someone spewing what not they know. The Packers prepared heavily for this opponent...in fact, according to Bedard, disproportionately so for a second preseason game. Please, don't just post jibberish.

"Do you really think that McCarthy would have totally abandoned the run in a regular season game?" LOL...are you for real? No, he just saves that for conf championship games. How many times did he abandon the run game last year?

We all better hope for a much better showing against Den...the traditional reg season primer.

As predicted, a much better showing.  This is Big Boy football, CalValley.  Perhaps you should take your game elsewhere.