2008

.217/.320/.367

.263/.378/.451

2007

.221/.328/.383

.251/.422/.481

The closest he's been to putting together a full season was 2006 before his wrist injury.

.275/.361/.406

.308/.372/.385 *

*10 games before injury

For those of you who think he can't be a leadoff hitter, I'm sure many of you think Brian Roberts is a great leadoff hitter. Let's compare the two:

Brian Roberts-----------------------------Rickie Weeks

2001 Age 23-----------------------------2003 Age 20

.253/.284/.341-------------------------.167/.286/.250

2002 Age 24----------------------------2005 Age 22

.227/.308/.297------------------------.239/.333/.394

2003 Age 25----------------------------2006 Age 23

.270/.337/.367------------------------.279/.363/.404

2004 Age 26----------------------------2007 Age 24

.273/.344/.376------------------------.235/.374/.433

2005 Age 27----------------------------2008 Age 25

.314/.387/.515------------------------.234/.342/.398

2006 Age 28

.286/.347/.410

2007 Age 29

.290/.377/.432

2008 Age 30

.296/.378/.450

Roberts didn't "breakout" and become the Brian Roberts of today until he was 27. Just some food for thought.

 Welcome to the board and great first post.  This issue has been discussed here at length given the tendancy for some fans to have an irrational hatred of Weeks.  You'll like it here, there are many likeminded folks.

Brandon Phillips, Chase Utley and Dan Uggla didn't break out until they were 26 or 27 either :).

MrQuestions:

 Welcome to the board and great first post.  This issue has been discussed here at length given the tendancy for some fans to have an irrational hatred of Weeks.  You'll like it here, there are many likeminded folks.

Brandon Phillips, Chase Utley and Dan Uggla didn't break out until they were 26 or 27 either :).

Its a personal thing, but I hate Dan Uggla with a passion.  BTW welcome to the Rickie Weeks debate Warboss.  There will be some fun times ahead for you :)

Warboss74:

Thanks. I think a lot of people get too caught up in the wrong things and don't put performances in perspective. Weeks wasn't the player he was hyped to be yet, but he's been ahead of the curve of some of the other premier second basemen/leadoff before their respective break out years.

Thanks for not making your first thread about how the Brewers should Sign Sheets right now because he could be had for nothing...blah blah blah.

Appreciate that.

I, for one, hope that Willie Randolph can be a mentor to weeks on the coaching staff, and that Rickie Weeks has the sense to listen to what Randolph has to say.  If it does happen to work out that way, then Rickie could have a very good season, indeed.

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

willie key:

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

Who knows? I've actually advocated for a soft platoon between him and Nixon or Nelson.

willie key:

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

Corey Hart was on a consistent rising career path that abrubtly fell off last year after the month of May.

Where is the comp?

Einsteinhood:

willie key:

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

Bill Hall's career has been pretty consistent, with a big two year blip in 2005 and 2006 where it looked like he was going to be better than his whole minor league career projected him to be.

Corey Hart was on a consistent rising career path that abrubtly fell off last year after the month of May.

Where is the comp?

I'm not saying that Hart is going to be "Bill Hall like" at all.  Like I've said before there is something I cant explain that really unsettled me about his play last year, especially uninjured.  Every player has slumps.  Fielder had a terrible one midseason but I know that he can play/hit.  Braun had an injury aided one in Sept.  Hart's was different it was like the league figured him out.  I would of felt better if we found out he was hiding a wrist injury or something.

I'm probably overreacting, but I am more interested in his play this year than Cameron, Hall, Weeks combined.  I honestly dont know where he's going to end up.  He could be that fringe all star type or lose his job by August

willie key:

Einsteinhood:

willie key:

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

Bill Hall's career has been pretty consistent, with a big two year blip in 2005 and 2006 where it looked like he was going to be better than his whole minor league career projected him to be.

Corey Hart was on a consistent rising career path that abrubtly fell off last year after the month of May.

Where is the comp?

I'm not saying that Hart is going to be "Bill Hall like" at all.  Like I've said before there is something I cant explain that really unsettled me about his play last year, especially uninjured.  Every player has slumps.  Fielder had a terrible one midseason but I know that he can play/hit.  Braun had an injury aided one in Sept.  Hart's was different it was like the league figured him out.  I would of felt better if we found out he was hiding a wrist injury or something.

I'm probably overreacting, but I am more interested in his play this year than Cameron, Hall, Weeks combined.  I honestly dont know where he's going to end up.  He could be that fringe all star type or lose his job by August

I believe that Hart will be solid.  his career path was on the upswing, perhaps a setback during his second full time year as a major contributor is something to be expected.  he has been a Kampman type guy as far as exceeding expectations vs. other higher profile players. I predict a .295/25/95/25 type guy for several seasons.

Einsteinhood:

willie key:

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

Bill Hall's career has been pretty consistent, with a big two year blip in 2005 and 2006 where it looked like he was going to be better than his whole minor league career projected him to be.

Corey Hart was on a consistent rising career path that abrubtly fell off last year after the month of May.

Where is the comp?

Neither one can hit a breaking ball away to save their lives.  Yet neither one seems to be aware of that fact as they consistently and unsuccessfully flail away at them.

Unless you only listen to games on the radio, you should be able to see that.

brewhawk:

Einsteinhood:

willie key:

I want a thread showing me how Corey Hart wont turn into Bill Hall the second this year.  That will help me sleep well tonight (or maybe I will go to the Nyquil)

Bill Hall's career has been pretty consistent, with a big two year blip in 2005 and 2006 where it looked like he was going to be better than his whole minor league career projected him to be.

Corey Hart was on a consistent rising career path that abrubtly fell off last year after the month of May.

Where is the comp?

Neither one can hit a breaking ball away to save their lives.  Yet neither one seems to be aware of that fact as they consistently and unsuccessfully flail away at them.

Unless you only listen to games on the radio, you should be able to see that.

All Corey needs is some discipline.  If he stopped swinging at things just because he thinks he can get a piece of them, he'll start to see deeper counts and better pitches.  Hall, on the other hand...  well, I'm not so sure that even a new pair of eyes is going to help him...

brewhawk:

Neither one can hit a breaking ball away to save their lives.  Yet neither one seems to be aware of that fact as they consistently and unsuccessfully flail away at them.

Unless you only listen to games on the radio, you should be able to see that.

Yes, both players tend to have problems with that pitch. Lots of young hitters do (which you would know if you....see how silly that is when I say it to you knowing that you watch the games?) Hart has generally been better than Hall at dealing with it, though.

It's probably not the appropriate thread to address this, but when has that mattered.

Hart scares me.  I know Einey is going to say that I'm basing this on nothing, but I generally have a good feel for personalities (although that generally I would have to know the person).  I really get the feeling that he is soft and stubborn, which is typically not a good combination.  I just don't think he liked being told that he wasn't playing well and it got to him.  I don't get the feeling that he handles big-time pressure well or that he likes being scrutinized.  Those things scare me because it's only going to get worse.  Good thing is, he's young and some of that stuff just comes with age, maturity, and taking enough of those lumps to recognize things for what they truly are.

Unbelievable.

A Rickie Weeks thread turned into a conversation about Corey Hart.

Usually, every thread, no matter how unrelated (it could be discussing the contaminated peanut butter), would turn into a Rickie Weeks debate.