LH put this franchise (with Kohls blessing) in such a financial (payroll and salary cap) hole, that it is going to take JH 3 years to get out of it....and please no wishful thinking about trades that involve Gadz.  He is not going anywhere.  No one would want him.  Maybe next year to dump salary, but not this year.  He is ours.

Hey Wisco,  Kohl did spend money.  Unfortunately, this franchise hands are tied financially for another season

WiscoKing13:

matt stairs:

quicksdraw:

well of course what do think a sign a trade is?  we sign cv to what he wants or thinks is fair then trade him to the teams that has agreeed to that contract, then we get something in return, its not that complicated.

 

Why would a team give something for Charlie Villanueva when it was pretty obvious the Bucks didn't have the cash to pay him the MLE? Even as a restricted FA any team offering the MLE or close to it would know the Bucks wouldn't match. What do you really think CV would get in a sign and trade?

or the team would be looking to pay less so they sign him to a smaller deal and give up some type of small asset. 

Like say CLE, a 1st and Hickson

Their front court would be loaded and could easily spare hickson's salary and won't need the first next year since they are going to go crazy in the FA market

Another problem with a sign and trade, a player in the sign and trade become a BYC player. CV's salary number in BYC would be 50% of his new salary, or his old salary, whichever is greater. That means his salary is at least 3.4 million, so the Cavs can't just trade Hickson, they have to include another player or 2. That makes things a lot harder to deal with, as they don't have any 2 million salaries (roughly) from what I found.

So a "simple" sign and trade with cleveland is becoming awfully complicated.

matt stairs:

WiscoKing13:

matt stairs:

quicksdraw:

well of course what do think a sign a trade is?  we sign cv to what he wants or thinks is fair then trade him to the teams that has agreeed to that contract, then we get something in return, its not that complicated.

 

Why would a team give something for Charlie Villanueva when it was pretty obvious the Bucks didn't have the cash to pay him the MLE? Even as a restricted FA any team offering the MLE or close to it would know the Bucks wouldn't match. What do you really think CV would get in a sign and trade?

or the team would be looking to pay less so they sign him to a smaller deal and give up some type of small asset. 

Like say CLE, a 1st and Hickson

Their front court would be loaded and could easily spare hickson's salary and won't need the first next year since they are going to go crazy in the FA market

 

Another problem with a sign and trade, a player in the sign and trade become a BYC player. CV's salary number in BYC would be 50% of his new salary, or his old salary, whichever is greater. That means his salary is at least 3.4 million, so the Cavs can't just trade Hickson, they have to include another player or 2. That makes things a lot harder to deal with, as they don't have any 2 million salaries (roughly) from what I found.

 

So a "simple" sign and trade with cleveland is becoming awfully complicated.

I would just take the first than and walk away

Analogkid:

LH put this franchise (with Kohls blessing) in such a financial (payroll and salary cap) hole, that it is going to take JH 3 years to get out of it....and please no wishful thinking about trades that involve Gadz.  He is not going anywhere.  No one would want him.  Maybe next year to dump salary, but not this year.  He is ours.

Here's how some of the idiots view are roster

Charlie bell's 3 years and 12 mil left is an asset and any team would love him

Gadz-Oh it can't be that hard he's only owd 2 years and 14 mil

Redd-Well he's only coming off ACL and MCL tare, but hey 3 years ago he was good.  Who wouldn't want 2 years and 33 million on their books.

its so sad how dumb some people are

WiscoKing13:

why go further into the lux if you don't have to??  Sure they wanted to pay him 7 million thats fine, than the bucks make the cavs waste cap.

btw what finacial situation? we have 10 million to spend this off season and we didn't have to bring sessions back.  After they sign CV to an offer sheet we have 7 days to decide to match and try a sign and trade.  If it don't work let him walk

Why give up Hickson and a 1 for a couple million dollars when they could be used to add another piece midseason? They're in the tax range because they want to win, why would they give away 2 assets that could be used for a midseason deal when they could just spend a few million more and make their team stronger. If they cared about the tax they wouldn't have made the deal for Shaq.

We have 10 million to spend? Assuming we don't re-sign Sessions. Not to mention there is Jennings contract. The number I saw had the Bucks around 60 million without jennings or Meeks, or a Sessions contract (just the QO). Jennings eats up around 2 million, now we're at 8. That enough to sign either Sessions or Villanueva, not both. Look at my other post about sign and trades, the BYC aspect makes tem tougher than they seem. Your deal to Cleveland doesn't work, and I can't see a good way to make it work.

WiscoKing13:

matt stairs:

WiscoKing13:

matt stairs:

quicksdraw:

well of course what do think a sign a trade is?  we sign cv to what he wants or thinks is fair then trade him to the teams that has agreeed to that contract, then we get something in return, its not that complicated.

 

Why would a team give something for Charlie Villanueva when it was pretty obvious the Bucks didn't have the cash to pay him the MLE? Even as a restricted FA any team offering the MLE or close to it would know the Bucks wouldn't match. What do you really think CV would get in a sign and trade?

or the team would be looking to pay less so they sign him to a smaller deal and give up some type of small asset. 

Like say CLE, a 1st and Hickson

Their front court would be loaded and could easily spare hickson's salary and won't need the first next year since they are going to go crazy in the FA market

 

Another problem with a sign and trade, a player in the sign and trade become a BYC player. CV's salary number in BYC would be 50% of his new salary, or his old salary, whichever is greater. That means his salary is at least 3.4 million, so the Cavs can't just trade Hickson, they have to include another player or 2. That makes things a lot harder to deal with, as they don't have any 2 million salaries (roughly) from what I found.

 

So a "simple" sign and trade with cleveland is becoming awfully complicated.

see thats the last thing I gotta learn is the fucking byc

I would just take the first than and walk away

Can't do it, Cleveland is over the cap, they have to give back some salary to match up. The only salaries they have that match up (roughly) are Daniel Gibson and Delonte West. I think Gibson works on his own, West might be a touch high. Gibson's contract is pretty sucky though, and I can't see the cavs giving up West.

matt stairs:

WiscoKing13:

why go further into the lux if you don't have to??  Sure they wanted to pay him 7 million thats fine, than the bucks make the cavs waste cap.

btw what finacial situation? we have 10 million to spend this off season and we didn't have to bring sessions back.  After they sign CV to an offer sheet we have 7 days to decide to match and try a sign and trade.  If it don't work let him walk

 

Why give up Hickson and a 1 for a couple million dollars when they could be used to add another piece midseason? They're in the tax range because they want to win, why would they give away 2 assets that could be used for a midseason deal when they could just spend a few million more and make their team stronger. If they cared about the tax they wouldn't have made the deal for Shaq.

We have 10 million to spend? Assuming we don't re-sign Sessions. Not to mention there is Jennings contract. The number I saw had the Bucks around 60 million without jennings or Meeks, or a Sessions contract (just the QO). Jennings eats up around 2 million, now we're at 8. That enough to sign either Sessions or Villanueva, not both. Look at my other post about sign and trades, the BYC aspect makes tem tougher than they seem. Your deal to Cleveland doesn't work, and I can't see a good way to make it work.

The cap number will be somewhere around 71.5, so thats 9 mil to bluff on CV for a little bit.

All i'm saying is why not just offer him the qo and see what happens, if everyone's interested.  Than it will be easy enough for us to turn it down.

I mean what else is JH going to do all summer?

WiscoKing13:

Analogkid:

LH put this franchise (with Kohls blessing) in such a financial (payroll and salary cap) hole, that it is going to take JH 3 years to get out of it....and please no wishful thinking about trades that involve Gadz.  He is not going anywhere.  No one would want him.  Maybe next year to dump salary, but not this year.  He is ours.

lol you can't say that on this board

Here's how some of the idiots view are roster

Charlie bell's 3 years and 12 mil left is an asset and any team would love him

Gadz-Oh it can't be that hard he's only owd 2 years and 14 mil

Redd-Well he's only coming off ACL and MCL tare, but hey 3 years ago he was good.  Who wouldn't want 2 years and 33 million on their books.

its so sad how dumb some people are

whats sad is what a horses ass you are.  clown

matt stairs:

WiscoKing13:

matt stairs:

WiscoKing13:

matt stairs:

quicksdraw:

well of course what do think a sign a trade is?  we sign cv to what he wants or thinks is fair then trade him to the teams that has agreeed to that contract, then we get something in return, its not that complicated.

 

Why would a team give something for Charlie Villanueva when it was pretty obvious the Bucks didn't have the cash to pay him the MLE? Even as a restricted FA any team offering the MLE or close to it would know the Bucks wouldn't match. What do you really think CV would get in a sign and trade?

or the team would be looking to pay less so they sign him to a smaller deal and give up some type of small asset. 

Like say CLE, a 1st and Hickson

Their front court would be loaded and could easily spare hickson's salary and won't need the first next year since they are going to go crazy in the FA market

 

Another problem with a sign and trade, a player in the sign and trade become a BYC player. CV's salary number in BYC would be 50% of his new salary, or his old salary, whichever is greater. That means his salary is at least 3.4 million, so the Cavs can't just trade Hickson, they have to include another player or 2. That makes things a lot harder to deal with, as they don't have any 2 million salaries (roughly) from what I found.

 

So a "simple" sign and trade with cleveland is becoming awfully complicated.

see thats the last thing I gotta learn is the fucking byc

I would just take the first than and walk away

 

Can't do it, Cleveland is over the cap, they have to give back some salary to match up. The only salaries they have that match up (roughly) are Daniel Gibson and Delonte West. I think Gibson works on his own, West might be a touch high. Gibson's contract is pretty sucky though, and I can't see the cavs giving up West.

quicksdraw:

WiscoKing13:

Analogkid:

LH put this franchise (with Kohls blessing) in such a financial (payroll and salary cap) hole, that it is going to take JH 3 years to get out of it....and please no wishful thinking about trades that involve Gadz.  He is not going anywhere.  No one would want him.  Maybe next year to dump salary, but not this year.  He is ours.

lol you can't say that on this board

Here's how some of the idiots view are roster

Charlie bell's 3 years and 12 mil left is an asset and any team would love him

Gadz-Oh it can't be that hard he's only owd 2 years and 14 mil

Redd-Well he's only coming off ACL and MCL tare, but hey 3 years ago he was good.  Who wouldn't want 2 years and 33 million on their books.

its so sad how dumb some people are

whats sad is what a horses ass you are.  clown

again stay off my posts, i'm sick of your crap

anytime you want to meet boy let me know til then stfu

WiscoKing13:

well the one I saw had us at 62, factor in bowen's buy out (2 mil) and add jennings 2 mil, back to 62.  Add 500 k for Meeks 62.5

The cap number will be somewhere around 71.5, so thats 9 mil to bluff on CV for a little bit.

All i'm saying is why not just offer him the qo and see what happens, if everyone's interested.  Than it will be easy enough for us to turn it down.

I mean what else is JH going to do all summer?

Don't get me wrong, I don't see a downside to making the QO and seeing what happens. Worst case scenario, he receives some sort of offer and he leaves. Best case, he doesn't get a real offer and maybe signs the QO, hoping to land a longer term deal next year when many teams will have cap space (and few will get to use it on their first choice).

My main contention was the sign and trade idea. It just never seems to work. Looking at it realistically, not making the QO or making the QO, there's a 95% chance the outcome is the same, CV gone with no compesation. 

Now if they let Sessions go after not making the QO to Villanueva, then I'll declare war on the front office, because that would be catstrophically moronic.

almost forgot.....troll

matt stairs:

WiscoKing13:

well the one I saw had us at 62, factor in bowen's buy out (2 mil) and add jennings 2 mil, back to 62.  Add 500 k for Meeks 62.5

The cap number will be somewhere around 71.5, so thats 9 mil to bluff on CV for a little bit.

All i'm saying is why not just offer him the qo and see what happens, if everyone's interested.  Than it will be easy enough for us to turn it down.

I mean what else is JH going to do all summer?

 

Don't get me wrong, I don't see a downside to making the QO and seeing what happens. Worst case scenario, he receives some sort of offer and he leaves. Best case, he doesn't get a real offer and maybe signs the QO, hoping to land a longer term deal next year when many teams will have cap space (and few will get to use it on their first choice).

 

My main contention was the sign and trade idea. It just never seems to work. Looking at it realistically, not making the QO or making the QO, there's a 95% chance the outcome is the same, CV gone with no compesation. 

 

Now if they let Sessions go after not making the QO to Villanueva, then I'll declare war on the front office, because that would be catstrophically moronic.

the scarey thing is if some team over values sessions that just might happen.