Nothing to prove....seriously?

Between his defensive footwork, and his inability to make adjustments at the plate, I imagine that there will be tons for him to do in Nashville.  Bottom line, young guys have got to get everyday playing time to improve their skillset.  Gamel is not getting that here, and he really is offering little to the club in terms of production to warrant him staying here.

Not rocket science....it is pretty clear actually.  The one rookie who is truly producing needs to get that playing time for now, not the one who looks frightened like a doe in the batter's box.

Greg Brock......Who?:

Not rocket science....it is pretty clear actually.  The one rookie who is truly producing needs to get that playing time for now, not the one who looks frightened like a doe in the batter's box.

Seriously?

The guy is seeing ML pitching for the first time and he'll get a 3-4 day stretch where he starts everyday then he will go 4 days with just a couple pinch hit appearances.  It has been like that all season.  In 17 games as our starting 3B (his normal routine) he is hitting .278/.381/.481/.852 and that is with starting on average only 3 times per week.  

The_Igniter:

Greg Brock......Who?:

Not rocket science....it is pretty clear actually.  The one rookie who is truly producing needs to get that playing time for now, not the one who looks frightened like a doe in the batter's box.

 

Seriously?

The guy is seeing ML pitching for the first time and he'll get a 3-4 day stretch where he starts everyday then he will go 4 days with just a couple pinch hit appearances.  It has been like that all season.  In 17 games as our starting 3B (his normal routine) he is hitting .278/.381/.481/.852 and that is with starting on average only 3 times per week.  

Yes.....SERIOUSLY!!!!!

I like how you present your numbers as if ther are no other categories to show Gamels lack of production.

32 K in 37 games played.  he has 103 PA and almost one third of his PA result in a K. 

In the last 28 days, or his last 14 starts at 3rd or DH, his BA is at .236 and his OPS is at .726.  I really could give a rat's ass about his "normal routine" when I see another rookie who had even less playing time at the start of his big league days then Gamel did absolutely outclass him in every single category.

Casey has earned his playing time under harder circumstances then Gamel had.

Gamel has not performed to a level that warrants an extended stay here.  He is not garbage by any stretch of the imagination, but he is not big league ready at this point, and in a race for the division, production is what matters most.  Casey has that production currently, Gamel does not.  It hurts Gamel more to have him stay here, and no way can you take the production Casey gives you off the field.

Really, it is not rocket science at all....... 

Greg Brock......Who?:

The_Igniter:

Greg Brock......Who?:

Not rocket science....it is pretty clear actually.  The one rookie who is truly producing needs to get that playing time for now, not the one who looks frightened like a doe in the batter's box.

 

Seriously?

The guy is seeing ML pitching for the first time and he'll get a 3-4 day stretch where he starts everyday then he will go 4 days with just a couple pinch hit appearances.  It has been like that all season.  In 17 games as our starting 3B (his normal routine) he is hitting .278/.381/.481/.852 and that is with starting on average only 3 times per week.  

Yes.....SERIOUSLY!!!!!

I like how you present your numbers as if ther are no other categories to show Gamels lack of production.

32 K in 37 games played.  he has 103 PA and almost one third of his PA result in a K. 

In the last 28 days, or his last 14 starts at 3rd or DH, his BA is at .236 and his OPS is at .726.  I really could give a rat's ass about his "normal routine" when I see another rookie who had even less playing time at the start of his big league days then Gamel did absolutely outclass him in every single category.

Casey has earned his playing time under harder circumstances then Gamel had.

Gamel has not performed to a level that warrants an extended stay here.  He is not garbage by any stretch of the imagination, but he is not big league ready at this point, and in a race for the division, production is what matters most.  Casey has that production currently, Gamel does not.  It hurts Gamel more to have him stay here, and no way can you take the production Casey gives you off the field.

Really, it is not rocket science at all....... 

Anyway, his walk rate is 12.7%, behind only Prince Fielder and Mike Cameron.  The guy has shown more patience at the plate than any of the other kids have when they first debuted in the majors.  Gamel hasn't torn the cover off the ball, but he also hasn't been over matched.

Greg Brock......Who?:

I really could give a rat's ass about his "normal routine" when I see another rookie who had even less playing time at the start of his big league days then Gamel did absolutely outclass him in every single category.

Then why weren't you pimping McGehee before June or the last 3 weeks when he was hitting .265/.333/.327/.660?  I must have missed that.

Since June 10th he has sat only 3 times and he pinch hit in two of those games.  

And just because one guy is red hot does not mean that the other guy looks like a frightend doe in the Batter's box.

The_Igniter:

Then why weren't you pimping McGehee before June or the last 3 weeks when he was hitting .265/.333/.327/.660?  I must have missed that.

Who's pimping who?  Just offering my opinion, which, last time I checked, was why this forum was here in the first place.  Casey is playing better than Gamel right now...not very difficult to see that.  Pimping, seriously?????

Gamel would be better served working through some things in Nashville where he can get more AB and GS.

The_Igniter:

And just because one guy is red hot does not mean that the other guy looks like a frightend doe in the Batter's box.

Never said that at all.  The fact that Casey is playing great right now has nothing to do with the obvious nervousness that Gamel is going through right now.  32 K in 37 games played.  Can you justify keeping that production on the field over what Casey brings to the table right now.  Listen, I like Gamel, but not to the point that I would put him out there to make you happy:-)

Casey is outperforming him right now, and thus, is earning playing time from Macha.  I have no problem with that at all.  So, do you keep Gamel on the bench to get a AB here and there, or do you send him down in hopes that he can tighten things up a little bit with his approach?  I prefer the latter, but hey, that's me!

homebrewpack:

puddyellow:

Gamel is streaky himself...  He is a left-handed threat.  We need him here even if the work is irregular.  IMO

 

Uh uh, no way. Strongly disagree. Kids need playing time. Gamel's numbers tell you he doesn't do well as a bench player. In the role he has been filling, he is not an asset to the Brewers. Play him or send him down.

He's getting time.  My point is that he is a left-handed threat that we need.  It's not a McGehee vs. Gamel thing either.  McGehee should play everyday.   It's a Gamel vs. Counsell or Hall thing.  You can make a case for Counsell with experience and the glove.  However, Counsell is hitting way beyond his typical performance to this point and he is likely to gravitate back to more realistic numbers.

Gamel will strike out, but not like Hall has.  His defense has been remarkably serviceable and he has yet to go on any kind of tear...which I think he will.  He's done that pretty well in the last two years.

I say you play Gamel 4-5 times a week at third, give Hall the lefties, and McGehee second base. 

Offense throughout the lineup is a deficiency.  McGehee is a wonderful surprise and it looks like he can keep it going.  Gamel will soon too.

wisblue:

McGehee has been a wonderful and pleasant surprise, but it would be wrong and unfair to expect him to continue at anything close to this pace for long. I am much more confident that he will prove to be a valuable part time and utility player for the Brewers for the next few years.

If nothing else, he's a cheap, versitile bench player for the next few years.

Greg Brock......Who?:

The_Igniter:

And just because one guy is red hot does not mean that the other guy looks like a frightend doe in the Batter's box.

Never said that at all.  The fact that Casey is playing great right now has nothing to do with the obvious nervousness that Gamel is going through right now.  32 K in 37 games played.  Can you justify keeping that production on the field over what Casey brings to the table right now.  Listen, I like Gamel, but not to the point that I would put him out there to make you happy:-)

Casey is outperforming him right now, and thus, is earning playing time from Macha.  I have no problem with that at all.  So, do you keep Gamel on the bench to get a AB here and there, or do you send him down in hopes that he can tighten things up a little bit with his approach?  I prefer the latter, but hey, that's me!

Whatever.  I guess it is a matter of opinion.  And regardless it doesn't matter what a guy looks like in the Batters box (people really need to get over this).  It matters how they are producing. In Gamel's case he is doing just fine and would be doing better with regular playing time.  However since there are better options right now he should be sent down to get regular playing time.

The_Igniter:

In Gamel's case he is doing just fine and would be doing better with regular playing time.

What games are you watching?  Gamel's production has been minimal to streaky his whole time here.  If he got anymore playing time, he would be in there everyday!!!  Do you expect Macha to start him everyday at third by default?  I sure as hell don't!!!

He has gotten more than enough chances to produce, and he has not.  Part of it, in my opinion, is that he is still a little shell shocked by being up here, and he has yet to learn how to make adjustments from AB to AB.  It is not that hard to see that by his body language and facial expressions. (People really need to get over the idea that one cannot determine the mindset of someone by looking at their physical "tells".)

Also I love how you present one stat multiple times as a reason a guy is not doing well.

Look this guy is a better defender than that guy because he has less errors. 

This guy isn't producing because he has a lot fo Strikeouts.

Then you make fun of me for breaking down and using stats for when Gamel actually plays defense and is in the flow of the game.

One stat Brock.

Greg Brock......Who?:

The_Igniter:

In Gamel's case he is doing just fine and would be doing better with regular playing time.

What games are you watching?

Probably the ones you aren't which is all of them. 

Greg Brock......Who?:

Gamel's production has been minimal to streaky his whole time here.

Again his stats would suggest otherwise.  Especially the ones where he plays the whole game and isn't a pinch hitter. 

Greg Brock......Who?:

If he got anymore playing time, he would be in there everyday!!!  Do you expect Macha to start him everyday at third by default?  I sure as hell don't!!!

Gamel has been up for 43 games, He has started 17 at third base and 6 at DH.  How the hell can this guy get any more starts without being in there everyday.  I mean all he has is an .850 OPS when he starts at third. The guy doesn't produce at all.  No manager should have to start a paltry .850 bat at 3B, that is ridiculous.

Greg Brock......Who?:

Part of it, in my opinion, is that he is still a little shell shocked by being up here, and he has yet to learn how to make adjustments from AB to AB.

Then you are an idiot.

Greg Brock......Who?:

It is not that hard to see that by his body language and facial expressions. (People really need to get over the idea that one cannot determine the mindset of someone by looking at their physical "tells".)

And people reeeaaallly need to get over thinking that a players performance is tied to how they look.  I think he looks scared.  Yeah he is definitely scared of Major league pitching.  Never mind his stats say he is hitting just fine and his stats when he gets to play the field say he is playing very well.  But he looks scared.  Yeah that sounds good.

The_Igniter:

Then you are an idiot.

Nice.....

Boy, with the hardon you have for Gamel, maybe all he needs from you is a reach-around to make your fantasies about him become reality.  You are the only person here claiming that Gamel has EARNED an everyday spot on this roster.

And I'm the IDIOT???????????

NIce way to get personal while you blow your wad all over Gamel's chin on this forum.  Get over yourself, tool.

Greg Brock......Who?:

Do you expect Macha to start him everyday at third by default?  I sure as hell don't!!!

This is what the team did in 2005-2006 with Hardy, Weeks, Fielder, Hart etc.

Now, with a team capable of and actually contending, you raise the bar and go with the best option. Right now, that is clearly McGehee. Now giving hima  day off with his balky knee makes perfect sense, but he needs to be in there as much as possible while he's doing what he's doing. If that means Gamel needs to go down to get the AB's the org wants him to get, so be it.

Greg Brock......Who?:

He has gotten more than enough chances to produce, and he has not.

Not everyone pops out of the womb like Braun did. Sometimes guys do need some time to go from getting by (which I think Gamel clearly is) to exceling.

Greg Brock......Who?:

t is not that hard to see that by his body language and facial expressions. (People really need to get over the idea that one cannot determine the mindset of someone by looking at their physical "tells".)

1) not knowing the person

2) not having personal contact with the person

3) only seeing them a few moments a day

...that they can only say so much accurately about what the players mindset is and that they certainly CAN be dead wrong basing judgements on such scant evidence.

The_Igniter:

Then you make fun of me for breaking down and using stats for when Gamel actually plays defense and is in the flow of the game.

Really, where?  And I'm the idiot...........