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jody gerut
Last post 07-03-2009 3:27 PM by geddymd72. 55 replies.
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Einsteinhood
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 badger80:I just get the feeling that Einstein is trying to peg Gerut as the guy from 2008 when in reality he was never that player.
The reason I keep bringing it up is not because I expect him to be that good again in limited AB's, because that isn't going to happen this year, it's to point out the upside that he has compared to what he's doing now. Gwynn doesn't have CLOSE to that upside.
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82 Brew
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Einsteinhood:
badger80: I just get the feeling that Einstein is trying to peg Gerut as the guy from 2008 when in reality he was never that player.
The reason I keep bringing it up is not because I expect him to be that good again in limited AB's, because that isn't going to happen this year, it's to point out the upside that he has compared to what he's doing now.
Gwynn doesn't have CLOSE to that upside.
But he's Tony Gwynn Jr. Did you not know that his dad in Tony Gwynn, yes THE Tony Gwynn.
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badger80
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Einsteinhood: badger80: I just get the feeling that Einstein is trying to peg Gerut as the guy from 2008 when in reality he was never that player.
The reason I keep bringing it up is not because I expect him to be that good again in limited AB's, because that isn't going to happen this year, it's to point out the upside that he has compared to what he's doing now. Gwynn doesn't have CLOSE to that upside.
He's 31-years old and was out of the game for a couple years. He has no upside. I don't think Gwynn was going to do anything worthwhile, but like I said, the Brewers got what they paid for. They swapped 4th outfielders.
Baseball is a game of the long season, of relentless and gradual averaging-out. Irrelevance—since the reference point of most individual games is remote and statistical—always threatens its interest, which can be maintained not by the occasional heroics that sportswriters feed upon but by players who always care; who care, that is to say, about themselves and their art. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, he is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money. 
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StallisTim
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geddymd72:
Gwynn is at 129 AB in San Diego and still over .300.
I hope they're fashioning his bust for the HOF then. And why is it, sir Geds, that you are exclusively citing batting average as the reason Gwynn is such a great player? Did you look at every other stat and they all told you that he's crap?
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brewhawk
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82 Brew:
Einsteinhood:
badger80: I just get the feeling that Einstein is trying to peg Gerut as the guy from 2008 when in reality he was never that player.
The reason I keep bringing it up is not because I expect him to be that good again in limited AB's, because that isn't going to happen this year, it's to point out the upside that he has compared to what he's doing now.
Gwynn doesn't have CLOSE to that upside.
But he's Tony Gwynn Jr. Did you not know that his dad in Tony Gwynn, yes THE Tony Gwynn.
I never get over how dumb of an argument this is regardless of what side of it you are on. It's simply not relevant. It's not relevant to making him a better hitter any more than it is relevant to him be overrated or how he is perceived.
However, in terms of him actually being a player and the kind of production he will give you regardless of his name, I don't see how having a hall of fame dad like that is going to hurt you. Genetics aside, it's a highly trained, highly experienced set of eyes that you know has his son's best interests as a player above everything else.
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geddymd72
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StallisTim: geddymd72:
Gwynn is at 129 AB in San Diego and still over .300.
I hope they're fashioning his bust for the HOF then. And why is it, sir Geds, that you are exclusively citing batting average as the reason Gwynn is such a great player? Did you look at every other stat and they all told you that he's crap?
Compared to our alternatives, his other stats are stellar. Nuff said.
Ty Cobb: "I believe I can truthfully say that I can hit equally well into either right or left field and generally at will. ... I will claim that when I am going right, I can drive four out of five fast balls within fifteen feet of where I want them to go."
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shipitdear
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82 Brew:
Einsteinhood:
badger80: I just get the feeling that Einstein is trying to peg Gerut as the guy from 2008 when in reality he was never that player.
The reason I keep bringing it up is not because I expect him to be that good again in limited AB's, because that isn't going to happen this year, it's to point out the upside that he has compared to what he's doing now.
Gwynn doesn't have CLOSE to that upside.
But he's Tony Gwynn Jr. Did you not know that his dad in Tony Gwynn, yes THE Tony Gwynn.
Actually, I was thinking about this after reading the earlier part of the thread. If the Brewers had traded him a couple years ago when there was more hype on him as a prospect they might have been able to get something real in return - in part because of his last name.
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MrQuestions
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badger80: He's 31-years old and was out of the game for a couple years. He has no upside. I don't think Gwynn was going to do anything worthwhile, but like I said, the Brewers got what they paid for. They swapped 4th outfielders.
If Gerut has "no upside" then TGjr must have negative upside. Gerut posted an .845 OPS last season. TGjr has never posted an .OPS above .800 in all his years in the minors.TGjr's career minor league OPS is BELOW .700. 4 out of his 7 years in the Minor leagues he posted an OPS below .700. How he has upside I do not understand.
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brewguru
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Why wasn't there this much angst when we traded David Krynzel?
Because, after all, they are the same player.
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MrQuestions
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brewguru: Why wasn't there this much angst when we traded David Krynzel?
Because, after all, they are the same player.
Except Krynzel was possibly a lot better... At least his career MiLB .OPS is well above .700 :)
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badger80
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MrQuestions: badger80: He's 31-years old and was out of the game for a couple years. He has no upside. I don't think Gwynn was going to do anything worthwhile, but like I said, the Brewers got what they paid for. They swapped 4th outfielders.
If Gerut has "no upside" then TGjr must have negative upside. Gerut posted an .845 OPS last season. TGjr has never posted an .OPS above .800 in all his years in the minors.TGjr's career minor league OPS is BELOW .700. 4 out of his 7 years in the Minor leagues he posted an OPS below .700. How he has upside I do not understand.
Gerut doesn't have the upside because he isn't getting any younger. Gwynn doesn't have upside because he doesn't have the talent.
Baseball is a game of the long season, of relentless and gradual averaging-out. Irrelevance—since the reference point of most individual games is remote and statistical—always threatens its interest, which can be maintained not by the occasional heroics that sportswriters feed upon but by players who always care; who care, that is to say, about themselves and their art. Insofar as the clutch hitter is not a sportswriter's myth, he is a vulgarity, like a writer who writes only for money.
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MrQuestions
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badger80: Gerut doesn't have the upside because he isn't getting any younger. Gwynn doesn't have upside because he doesn't have the talent.
Oh yeah, I'm not trying to say Gerut has mad future upside beyond this season or anything, just that his performance ceiling for the rest of this season is most likely higher than that of TGjr based on the history of both players.
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BenderTheOffender
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badger80: MrQuestions: badger80: He's 31-years old and was out of the game for a couple years. He has no upside. I don't think Gwynn was going to do anything worthwhile, but like I said, the Brewers got what they paid for. They swapped 4th outfielders.
If Gerut has "no upside" then TGjr must have negative upside. Gerut posted an .845 OPS last season. TGjr has never posted an .OPS above .800 in all his years in the minors.TGjr's career minor league OPS is BELOW .700. 4 out of his 7 years in the Minor leagues he posted an OPS below .700. How he has upside I do not understand.
Gerut doesn't have the upside because he isn't getting any younger. Gwynn doesn't have upside because he doesn't have the talent.
Did you read that? .845 OPS last season, that's 1 year ago, not in his distant past. I'm not saying he will repeat that obviously, but even if he could reach anywhere near that he would be a very productive player. Players normally don't just go from .845 OPS one year to "having no upside" as if he's getting into his 40s or something.
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geddymd72
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BenderTheOffender: badger80: MrQuestions: badger80: He's 31-years old and was out of the game for a couple years. He has no upside. I don't think Gwynn was going to do anything worthwhile, but like I said, the Brewers got what they paid for. They swapped 4th outfielders.
If Gerut has "no upside" then TGjr must have negative upside. Gerut posted an .845 OPS last season. TGjr has never posted an .OPS above .800 in all his years in the minors.TGjr's career minor league OPS is BELOW .700. 4 out of his 7 years in the Minor leagues he posted an OPS below .700. How he has upside I do not understand.
Gerut doesn't have the upside because he isn't getting any younger. Gwynn doesn't have upside because he doesn't have the talent.
Did you read that? .845 OPS last season, that's 1 year ago, not in his distant past. I'm not saying he will repeat that obviously, but even if he could reach anywhere near that he would be a very productive player. Players normally don't just go from .845 OPS one year to "having no upside" as if he's getting into his 40s or something.
Its called an "anomaly" just like Bill Hall's one good season. Gerut will never sustain another .845 OPS.
Ty Cobb: "I believe I can truthfully say that I can hit equally well into either right or left field and generally at will. ... I will claim that when I am going right, I can drive four out of five fast balls within fifteen feet of where I want them to go."
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MrQuestions
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geddymd72: Its called an "anomaly" just like Bill Hall's one good season. Gerut will never sustain another .845 OPS.
Maybe not, but I think Gerut's chances of performing at a similar rate to last year are much better than Gwynn's chances of playing .100 points of OPS better than he's ever played in his life against better competition than he's ever faced.
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