stix:

radio silence:

 I don't know why this is so difficult. All of these things are true:

(a) The Brewers offense played poorly

(b) The Brewers' manager set his pitcher up to fail by taking his approach away from the strike zone, and willfully walking two consecutive batters.

(c) It was a blown call.

 

All of those things cost the Brewers the game. Anyone who thinks the blown call didn't play a significant part in the Cubs' winning is simply ignorant of the facts. That doesn't mean that other things didn't contribute to the loss, either.

People are taking stupidly one-dimensional arguments on this. It was a blown call and the Brewers did other things to lose the game.

That's about the extent of it.

I don't know why this is so hard for people to grasp.

 

Only 2 people don't get it, people who enjoy the Brewers losing, who can't possibly fathom that the Brewers did not 150 % contribute to their own demise, and some casual cubs fans who just can't fathom that they got a call, and just want to believe that Fox has a sixth sense and knew the ump would call it a ball. Unfortunately, Fox's post-game interview sounds like has the eye of God, and just kept fouling off pitches until he missed, doesn't sound like a player I'm going to like.

Gotta agree with Radio here.... YES, it was a horribly blown call! BUT that wasn't the only reason the Brewers lost that game! They left 11 or 12 guys on base and couldn't take advantage of 3 CUBS ERRORS!!!! Like it or not they deserved to lose that game!

 Goddamn trolls.

Juiceman:

.  And we will have Mark DeFelice, Ken Macha and the Brewers to thank.

Juiceman; it wasn't DiFelice's fault. It was Kendall for the placement.

Juiceman:

Ike, I am just royally ticked at Einstein for the posts he had another thread and I am letting my temper get the best of me.

Good.

bleedcubbieblue.com

Quit your crying about Brewer fans and go be with your own kind.

radio silence:

 I don't know why this is so difficult. All of these things are true:

(a) The Brewers offense played poorly

(b) The Brewers' manager set his pitcher up to fail by taking his approach away from the strike zone, and willfully walking two consecutive batters.

(c) It was a blown call.

 

All of those things cost the Brewers the game. Anyone who thinks the blown call didn't play a significant part in the Cubs' winning is simply ignorant of the facts. That doesn't mean that other things didn't contribute to the loss, either.

People are taking stupidly one-dimensional arguments on this. It was a blown call and the Brewers did other things to lose the game.

 

d. The Brewers pitched brilliantly and deserved a final shot. Why can't you admit that is true too?

To get this worked up about a ball and strike call is silly.

There are many missed in most games and players try very hard not to let their teams destiny be decided by an umpire's call.

The real problem is that the Brewers wasted a bases loaded with no outs situation early in the game, and proceeded to produce 1 run from 30 outs.

The lack of quality at bats over the last month are what have me losing sleep not a blown ball and strike call.

Three guys getting on base with regularity and providing all the power isn't going to get it done.

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

To get this worked up about a ball and strike call is silly.

 

There are many missed in most games and players try very hard not to let their teams destiny be decided by an umpire's call.

 

The real problem is that the Brewers wasted a bases loaded with no outs situation early in the game, and proceeded to produce 1 run from 30 outs.

 

The lack of quality at bats over the last month are what have me losing sleep not a blown ball and strike call.

 

Three guys getting on base with regularity and providing all the power isn't going to get it done.

Thank you.  A voice of reason.  The Brewers did it to themselves yesterday.  When their offense is that anemic they will lose virtually every single time.  And please spare me about how they were up against the big bad mighty Z.  They had him and the Cubs right where they wanted them several times and couldn't close the deal.

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

To get this worked up about a ball and strike call is silly.

The only reason there's the bitching and the debating is because the call effectively ended the game.

Yes, the Brewers blew chances earlier in the game, but for a blown call to directly end a game?  That's why people are upset.

Einsteinhood:

Juiceman:

Ike, I am just royally ticked at Einstein for the posts he had another thread and I am letting my temper get the best of me.

Good.

bleedcubbieblue.com

Quit your crying about Brewer fans and go be with your own kind.

They probably hate him too.

 

quicksdraw:

The_Igniter:

$135 million payroll

The sure sign of a loser.  Not winning a championship in 100 years.

this is a big loser post, keep the crap out here.

No just stating the facts.  If someone comes on someone else's board and starts taunting other fans and starts the post with "the sure sign of a loser" they should know the facts.  Having a payroll 50% more than anyone else in the division and still be behind is the ultimate sign of being a loser.  Scratch that not winning a championship in 100 years is the ultimate sign of being a loser.  Having a payroll 50% more than anyone in the division and not winning it is just incompetent.  Yet people love to cheer on these overpaid  merc losers.

Daubs:

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

To get this worked up about a ball and strike call is silly.

The only reason there's the bitching and the debating is because the call effectively ended the game.

Yes, the Brewers blew chances earlier in the game, but for a blown call to directly end a game?  That's why people are upset.

In any event it's not the absolute travesty people are making it out to be .  The call in the game against Houston (I think it was the Stros) where the replay clearly showed the guy hit it 2 feet foul and they called it fair and it led to runs scoring was a "blown call".  This was a borderline pitch that allowed for interpretation.  That pitch - at the higher end of the zone - is called a ball a lot of the time at every level in which I've seen baseball played.

uwmfan:

radio silence:

 I don't know why this is so difficult. All of these things are true:

(a) The Brewers offense played poorly

(b) The Brewers' manager set his pitcher up to fail by taking his approach away from the strike zone, and willfully walking two consecutive batters.

(c) It was a blown call.

 

All of those things cost the Brewers the game. Anyone who thinks the blown call didn't play a significant part in the Cubs' winning is simply ignorant of the facts. That doesn't mean that other things didn't contribute to the loss, either.

People are taking stupidly one-dimensional arguments on this. It was a blown call and the Brewers did other things to lose the game.

 

d. The Brewers pitched brilliantly and deserved a final shot. Why can't you admit that is true too?

Ummm.. I think Radio WOULD agree that that is true, as would I. Our point (and one that many people here seem to be unable to grasp) is that you can recognize that there were several other factors that led to the Brewers losing yesterday, but still discuss (and be upset about) a questionable (if not outright blown) call that ended the game.

shipitdear:

Daubs:

ghostdog_on_the_beach:

To get this worked up about a ball and strike call is silly.

The only reason there's the bitching and the debating is because the call effectively ended the game.

Yes, the Brewers blew chances earlier in the game, but for a blown call to directly end a game?  That's why people are upset.

In any event it's not the absolute travesty people are making it out to be .  The call in the game against Houston (I think it was the Stros) where the replay clearly showed the guy hit it 2 feet foul and they called it fair and it led to runs scoring was a "blown call".  This was a borderline pitch that allowed for interpretation.  That pitch - at the higher end of the zone - is called a ball a lot of the time at every level in which I've seen baseball played.

The Brewers had chances before and afterward in the Houston game.  In other words, that blown call didn't end the game.

Yesterday - the blown call ended the game...  I have to disagree, though - that pitch is called a strike more often than not.

BTW, I don't hear any of you say anything or see any stop action photos of the ball four pitch to Corey Hart that allowed the Brewers to score thier only run.  I guess that was a good call, right?  The same ump was right on top of that one.  That pitch clearly crossed the plate also and it couldn't be high on Hart.  Without that call, you don't have to worry abot DeFelice forcing in the winning run because the game would have been over in the ninth.