Prince should not be traded whatsoever.

Why are people always obsessed with this idea? If you're a fan that is concerned about winning and being entertained, wouldn't you want to keep one of the best players to ever wear a Brewers' uniform?

I know people always make a point to note that Braun is in that Molitor/Yount type mold, but so is Prince. He's a fantastic hitter, one of the most valuable on the team, not the type that will simply be replaced by an aggregate of young pitching returns and current AAA prospects.

radio silence:

Prince should not be traded whatsoever.

 

I love Prince.  I don't want him traded.  However if we got the godfather offer like the Teixeira trade.  The Brewers should definitely look at it.

Say the Sox offered the Brewers:

Lars Anderson, BA's #17 overall prospect, Michael Bowden #83 prospect before the season, Daniel Bard #98 prospect, Buchholz and another A-ball high upside prospect

Would you say no?

 

The_Igniter:

radio silence:

Prince should not be traded whatsoever.

 

I love Prince.  I don't want him traded.  However if we got the godfather offer like the Teixeira trade.  The Brewers should definitely look at it.

Say the Sox offered the Brewers:

Lars Anderson, BA's #17 overall prospect, Michael Bowden #83 prospect before the season, Daniel Bard #98 prospect, Buchholz and another A-ball high upside prospect

Would you say no?

 

Yes, I would say no.

MateoInMex:

The_Igniter:

radio silence:

Prince should not be traded whatsoever.

 

I love Prince.  I don't want him traded.  However if we got the godfather offer like the Teixeira trade.  The Brewers should definitely look at it.

Say the Sox offered the Brewers:

Lars Anderson, BA's #17 overall prospect, Michael Bowden #83 prospect before the season, Daniel Bard #98 prospect, Buchholz and another A-ball high upside prospect

Would you say no?

 

Yes, I would say no.

Did you think about the trade at all?

Buchholz and Bowden could fill the 4 and 5 spots in the rotation for about $1,000,000 total and could potentially develop into much, much more.  Bard could come in and be a fixture of the Bullpen and potential closer for another $500,000.   Then the Brewers would have a first baseman that had a .934 OPS between high A and AA last season as a 20 year old and although he is having a down season this year in AA could easily develop into the first baseman of the future.  Next year he could be ready for the majors in the second half at the age of 22.  Plus another nice prospect for the Future.

Then to top it off the Brewers would have another about 10 million to spend in a depressed market.  Say they add a player like Adam Dunn who signed for 2 years and $20 million last season.  

How do you say no to that?

 If that type of deal came through, I'd have to weigh it very carefully.

I have to say prospect deals sound a lot nicer on paper before you actually get used to having someone regularly produce at the big league level (at a rather high level, too).

I will say this: 2008 Prince, I probably say "yes" to the trade. 2009 Prince, I say no. 

If this is the way Prince is shaping up to play as a hitter, I gladly keep him as long as he wants to stay and let him produce.

The_Igniter:

MateoInMex:

The_Igniter:

radio silence:

Prince should not be traded whatsoever.

 

I love Prince.  I don't want him traded.  However if we got the godfather offer like the Teixeira trade.  The Brewers should definitely look at it.

Say the Sox offered the Brewers:

Lars Anderson, BA's #17 overall prospect, Michael Bowden #83 prospect before the season, Daniel Bard #98 prospect, Buchholz and another A-ball high upside prospect

Would you say no?

 

Yes, I would say no.

Did you think about the trade at all?

Buchholz and Bowden could fill the 4 and 5 spots in the rotation for about $1,000,000 total and could potentially develop into much, much more.  Bard could come in and be a fixture of the Bullpen and potential closer for another $500,000.   Then the Brewers would have a first baseman that had a .934 OPS between high A and AA last season as a 20 year old and although he is having a down season this year in AA could easily develop into the first baseman of the future.  Next year he could be ready for the majors in the second half at the age of 22.  Plus another nice prospect for the Future.

Then to top it off the Brewers would have another about 10 million to spend in a depressed market.  Say they add a player like Adam Dunn who signed for 2 years and $20 million last season.  

How do you say no to that?

I say no because Bucholz has Vajajay syndrom. First a torn fingernail, then a blister, then a sandy cooch. So you would suggest moving a 3rd year MLB player for a guy that has a .934 OPS between high A and AA, with a possible Adam Dunn signing?

Igniter, I agree with Radio, you've been on fire, I think here though, the Brewers after signing Fielder to a two year extension could do a lot better than a bunch of low ball prospects. This would be a bullsh!t trade! Think about it...a guy who knows nothing about the wheelings and dealings of baseball...you're going to convince me to trade an NL all-star with that? No, no no no. First of all, I would hope it wouldn't be this year, because giving up on a weak division like the N.L Central is pussyfied IMHO. The Pirates are still in it!!

PF would go to an AL contender, like the BoSox, where you would hope to rape their farm system. Grant it, as BrewGuru said, Steve Phillips is not a GM anymore.  I think you pass on that trade, I thought about it, as you asked...and I would pass. Build some sh!t up man!! Play agent, your player is worth more than that! 

radio silence:

 If that type of deal came through, I'd have to weigh it very carefully.

I have to say prospect deals sound a lot nicer on paper before you actually get used to having someone regularly produce at the big league level (at a rather high level, too).

I will say this: 2008 Prince, I probably say "yes" to the trade. 2009 Prince, I say no. 

If this is the way Prince is shaping up to play as a hitter, I gladly keep him as long as he wants to stay and let him produce.

Yeah I know prospect deals sound a lot nicer on paper however everyone of these prospects except the extra A baller is at the AAA level or in the pros.  Bard is already in the Sox pen and producing nicely.  Bowden and Buchholz are pitching very well in AAA and deserve a shot at a ML roster.  Anderson might be able to replace Prince's production in a couple of years .  In the mean time they could maybe offer a contract to Adam LaRoche this off-season.  While the overall production would go down maybe the defensive improvement could make up for some of the offensive loss.   

Edit: lets say the final piece is the Brewer's choice is between a 19 year old A Ball First Baseman Anthony Rizzo who is OPS'ing around .859 or Fabian Williamson a 19 year old lefty with a 2.63 ERA in 55 innings with 59 K's and 24 BB's and a 1.08 WHIP

MateoInMex:

The_Igniter:

MateoInMex:

The_Igniter:

radio silence:

Prince should not be traded whatsoever.

 

I love Prince.  I don't want him traded.  However if we got the godfather offer like the Teixeira trade.  The Brewers should definitely look at it.

Say the Sox offered the Brewers:

Lars Anderson, BA's #17 overall prospect, Michael Bowden #83 prospect before the season, Daniel Bard #98 prospect, Buchholz and another A-ball high upside prospect

Would you say no?

 

Yes, I would say no.

Did you think about the trade at all?

Buchholz and Bowden could fill the 4 and 5 spots in the rotation for about $1,000,000 total and could potentially develop into much, much more.  Bard could come in and be a fixture of the Bullpen and potential closer for another $500,000.   Then the Brewers would have a first baseman that had a .934 OPS between high A and AA last season as a 20 year old and although he is having a down season this year in AA could easily develop into the first baseman of the future.  Next year he could be ready for the majors in the second half at the age of 22.  Plus another nice prospect for the Future.

Then to top it off the Brewers would have another about 10 million to spend in a depressed market.  Say they add a player like Adam Dunn who signed for 2 years and $20 million last season.  

How do you say no to that?

I say no because Bucholz has Vajajay syndrom. First a torn fingernail, then a blister, then a sandy cooch. So you would suggest moving a 3rd year MLB player for a guy that has a .934 OPS between high A and AA, with a possible Adam Dunn signing?

Igniter, I agree with Radio, you've been on fire, I think here though, the Brewers after signing Fielder to a two year extension could do a lot better than a bunch of low ball prospects. This would be a bullsh!t trade! Think about it...a guy who knows nothing about the wheelings and dealings of baseball...you're going to convince me to trade an NL all-star with that? No, no no no. First of all, I would hope it wouldn't be this year, because giving up on a weak division like the N.L Central is pussyfied IMHO. The Pirates are still in it!!

PF would go to an AL contender, like the BoSox, where you would hope to rape their farm system. Grant it, as BrewGuru said, Steve Phillips is not a GM anymore.  I think you pass on that trade, I thought about it, as you asked...and I would pass. Build some sh!t up man!! Play agent, your player is worth more than that! 

After reading what I typed, I sound a lot like Freeway. I'll get back to this thread tomorrow, sober. I promise.

As of right now I wouldn't trade Prince.  Yes his value maybe high because of his Cinderella season, but if you were to trade him now it would dampen the teams morale and we would definately be out of playoff contention.  If Melvin is going to make a move this season, I wouldn't be opposed to trading Corey Hart for someone like Cliff Lee.  We need a reliable lefty in the starting rotation and I doubt Capuano will ever be like he was and Manny still needs a lot of work.  Dealing Prince wouldn't be the best thing to do right now. 

 

No.

LOL...you fool.

This is a waste of our time bebating this.

TheWiscSportsNut2:

LOL...you fool.

This is a waste of our time bebating this.

Yeah, because a small market team debating about how to maintain their competitiveness by trading high value pieces (especially one who will not be here past this contract) is a waste of time.  I get the debate.  I really do.  Do you sell a piece which has extremely high value right now to garner high quality pitching and depth in the AAA AA levels and make another good run at the WS in 2 years or do you go for it now by trading some of your "talent" in the minors with the hope that Prince can take you there before he leaves in FA?  I have to say that there is no way the Brewers sign him again after this contract because we can not afford what it will take to keep him.  So why not explore the opportunity to trade him with his value higher than it has ever been to get some much needed pitching?  If our minor league system is so full of mashers, then this really would be a great time to explore this option.  I would hate to see him go, but I want to see the Brewers competitive for years to come, not just the next 2.

Here is another hypothetical trade for those that didn't like the first trade.

To the Giants for

Baseball America's #9 prospect Madison Bumgarner: will start the season at AAA next year at 20 years old, Lefty, 1.7 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 43 K's 15 BBs in 8 starts and 9 games at AA plus he has 5 starts at high A with a 1.48 ERA.

#14 overall prospect Buster Posey, C,  22 years old and in High A ball with a .950 OPS.  He will probably be moving to AA before the season ends and be in the majors by the middle of next year

Tim Alderson 20 year old AA pitcher 2.36 ERA in 50 innings and 9 stats.  He also has some time in high A this season. 

Thomas Neal 21 year old High A LFer with a 1.018 OPS this season.

Again this trade would take place after the season and Most if not all of these guys will start next season at the AAA level.   Buster Posey has enough trade Value that he could probably be sent off for another high end prospect, prospects or young players if we believe in our catching situation.

Then with the money saved by not paying Fielder the Brewers could again go after Adam LaRoche. 

Again I am not saying the Brewers should ship off Fielder no matter what.  I am saying options should definitely be explored and if they run accross a trade that makes sense the Brewers should go for it.  If the Brewers could get the top pitching prospect in all of the minors after the year, the top catching prospect in all of the minors after the year, another potential middle of the rotation arm and a high upside bat, the trade should be thought about very hard and I would do it.

 

The_Igniter:

Here is another hypothetical trade for those that didn't like the first trade.

To the Giants for

Baseball America's #9 prospect Madison Bumgarner: will start the season at AAA next year at 20 years old, Lefty, 1.7 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 43 K's 15 BBs in 8 starts and 9 games at AA plus he has 5 starts at high A with a 1.48 ERA.

#14 overall prospect Buster Posey, C,  22 years old and in High A ball with a .950 OPS.  He will probably be moving to AA before the season ends and be in the majors by the middle of next year

Tim Alderson 20 year old AA pitcher 2.36 ERA in 50 innings and 9 stats.  He also has some time in high A this season. 

Thomas Neal 21 year old High A LFer with a 1.018 OPS this season.

Again this trade would take place after the season and Most if not all of these guys will start next season at the AAA level.   Buster Posey has enough trade Value that he could probably be sent off for another high end prospect, prospects or young players if we believe in our catching situation.

Then with the money saved by not paying Fielder the Brewers could again go after Adam LaRoche. 

Again I am not saying the Brewers should ship off Fielder no matter what.  I am saying options should definitely be explored and if they run accross a trade that makes sense the Brewers should go for it.  If the Brewers could get the top pitching prospect in all of the minors after the year, the top catching prospect in all of the minors after the year, another potential middle of the rotation arm and a high upside bat, the trade should be thought about very hard and I would do it.

 

Why wouldn't the Giants go after Adam LaRoche themselves and save all those prospects?   Seems to me that a team like the Red Sox or Giants will simply wait until Prince is a free agent and not give up any prospects.  I think Prince has very little trade value because teams already know the Brewers aren't going to sign him as a free agent.  We might as well enjoy the ride because guys like Prince only come around every 20 years or so in a small market team like Milwaukee. 

The_Igniter:

Here is another hypothetical trade for those that didn't like the first trade.

To the Giants for

Baseball America's #9 prospect Madison Bumgarner: will start the season at AAA next year at 20 years old, Lefty, 1.7 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 43 K's 15 BBs in 8 starts and 9 games at AA plus he has 5 starts at high A with a 1.48 ERA.

#14 overall prospect Buster Posey, C,  22 years old and in High A ball with a .950 OPS.  He will probably be moving to AA before the season ends and be in the majors by the middle of next year

Tim Alderson 20 year old AA pitcher 2.36 ERA in 50 innings and 9 stats.  He also has some time in high A this season. 

Thomas Neal 21 year old High A LFer with a 1.018 OPS this season.

Again this trade would take place after the season and Most if not all of these guys will start next season at the AAA level.   Buster Posey has enough trade Value that he could probably be sent off for another high end prospect, prospects or young players if we believe in our catching situation.

Then with the money saved by not paying Fielder the Brewers could again go after Adam LaRoche. 

Again I am not saying the Brewers should ship off Fielder no matter what.  I am saying options should definitely be explored and if they run accross a trade that makes sense the Brewers should go for it.  If the Brewers could get the top pitching prospect in all of the minors after the year, the top catching prospect in all of the minors after the year, another potential middle of the rotation arm and a high upside bat, the trade should be thought about very hard and I would do it.

 

That would be a pretty tough deal to turn down, especially this offseason.  A lot of high ceiling talent in that deal.