Einsteinhood:

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 BTW, I am now hoping that the Crew convinces Boras that Fielder is one of his clients that should sign a very short extension. There are a couple of Boras clients that have signed such deals (cf. Carlos Pena and Matt Holliday, I believe), and so I am wondering about Prince signing something like a 2-year, $30 million deal; or, maybe replace his 2010 contract with a 3/$45 deal. Trade $6 million in 2010 for a year of free agency....

I don't see it happening.

Boras loves to take guys who made the bigs @ a young age to the FA market ASAP. It's a longstanding trend with him, because he knows he can get the big/long deal and set the market with those guys. Prince fits right into that group, where Pena and Holliday didn't.

 

A fine point.

Einsteinhood:

Brain Sabean isn't this dumb.

No way he gives up that kind of talent for 2+ years of Prince.

But there are packages out there that could pry Prince away from the Brewers.  It shouldn't be unfathomable.  Whether Sabean is dumb enough or not is not the question.  There are definitely scenarios where it would make sense for both sides.

The_Igniter:

 I was just thinking about having cheap controlable arms at the back end of the rotation for a while instead of having to waste a lot of our payroll on finding average production from the starting pitcher spot.  Then if any of these guys came around to produce up to their potential it would be real nice to have good starting pitching.

 

I can see the logic, but if the only motivation is low rotation production, it's probably better to pay for proven low rotation starters and keep a prime 1B than to trade a prime 1B simply in order to gamble on controllable low rotation production.

 

If we're talking about trading Prince for an ace, or something like that, that's something completely different. But low rotation production? Paying for rotation depth + Prince in the batting order seems to be a fine way to utilize payroll. 

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I can see the logic, but if the only motivation is low rotation production, it's probably better to pay for proven low rotation starters and keep a prime 1B than to trade a prime 1B simply in order to gamble on controllable low rotation production.

 

If we're talking about trading Prince for an ace, or something like that, that's something completely different. But low rotation production? Paying for rotation depth + Prince in the batting order seems to be a fine way to utilize payroll. 

I am not talking low rotation production but rather rookies or young players at the back end of the rotation to start.  There is a huge difference in expectations.  Madison Bumgarner could probably come in and be a Rick Porcello type rookie next year.  He has a 3.9 ERA but is Detroit's #4 with ace potential and is going to make $500,000 for the next 2+ seasons. 

The_Igniter:

Einsteinhood:

Brain Sabean isn't this dumb.

No way he gives up that kind of talent for 2+ years of Prince.

But there are packages out there that could pry Prince away from the Brewers.  It shouldn't be unfathomable.  Whether Sabean is dumb enough or not is not the question.  There are definitely scenarios where it would make sense for both sides.

 

Of course there will be teams that want him. Who wouldn't want the 2nd best hitter this year, who is 2nd in OBP, 3rd in SLG (Raul Ibanez is 2nd), and 2nd in OPS(not including Mauer, and Joey Votto who both have had limited ABs), not to mention he's a lefty power bat which only adds to his value.

The_Igniter:

But there are packages out there that could pry Prince away from the Brewers.  It shouldn't be unfathomable.  Whether Sabean is dumb enough or not is not the question.  There are definitely scenarios where it would make sense for both sides.

In threory, sure.

The chances that someone actually walks in with one is about as close to zero as you can get, IMO.

 The original post in this thread might be the most ridiculous I've ever seen on this board.

Einsteinhood:

The_Igniter:

But there are packages out there that could pry Prince away from the Brewers.  It shouldn't be unfathomable.  Whether Sabean is dumb enough or not is not the question.  There are definitely scenarios where it would make sense for both sides.

In threory, sure.

The chances that someone actually walks in with one is about as close to zero as you can get, IMO.

 

In your opinion.  

You have no idea what individual General managers are thinking or what they will offer.  Prince is one of the best hitters in the league I am sure the best offer out of 29 teams would be pretty enticing.  

The_Igniter:

Einsteinhood:

The_Igniter:

But there are packages out there that could pry Prince away from the Brewers.  It shouldn't be unfathomable.  Whether Sabean is dumb enough or not is not the question.  There are definitely scenarios where it would make sense for both sides.

In threory, sure.

The chances that someone actually walks in with one is about as close to zero as you can get, IMO.

 

In your opinion.  

You have no idea what individual General managers are thinking or what they will offer.  Prince is one of the best hitters in the league I am sure the best offer out of 29 teams would be pretty enticing.  

Thank God you're not the GM.  

Einsteinhood:

The_Igniter:

Here is another hypothetical trade for those that didn't like the first trade.

To the Giants for

Baseball America's #9 prospect Madison Bumgarner: will start the season at AAA next year at 20 years old, Lefty, 1.7 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 43 K's 15 BBs in 8 starts and 9 games at AA plus he has 5 starts at high A with a 1.48 ERA.

#14 overall prospect Buster Posey, C,  22 years old and in High A ball with a .950 OPS.  He will probably be moving to AA before the season ends and be in the majors by the middle of next year

Tim Alderson 20 year old AA pitcher 2.36 ERA in 50 innings and 9 stats.  He also has some time in high A this season. 

Thomas Neal 21 year old High A LFer with a 1.018 OPS this season.

Again this trade would take place after the season and Most if not all of these guys will start next season at the AAA level.   Buster Posey has enough trade Value that he could probably be sent off for another high end prospect, prospects or young players if we believe in our catching situation.

Then with the money saved by not paying Fielder the Brewers could again go after Adam LaRoche. 

Again I am not saying the Brewers should ship off Fielder no matter what.  I am saying options should definitely be explored and if they run accross a trade that makes sense the Brewers should go for it.  If the Brewers could get the top pitching prospect in all of the minors after the year, the top catching prospect in all of the minors after the year, another potential middle of the rotation arm and a high upside bat, the trade should be thought about very hard and I would do it.

Brain Sabean isn't this dumb.

No way he gives up that kind of talent for 2+ years of Prince.

+1.... there is NO way you'd get the Giants 3 best prospects for Prince.  You might get one of the 3 - and I'd bet that there would be no way SF would move Baumgartner OR Posey......

 There's going to come a time when trading Fielder makes sense.  Whenever that is, they should be able to get a pretty good haul of players in return (not as good as if he played another position though).  But that time is not now.

Getting to the playoffs this year is somewhat of a long shot given that only the Pirates are out of it in the Central and the fact the Brewers rotation is worst among the remaining contenders.  

But a lot of fans have bought tickets and if they are not going to see a playoff team, they at least deserve a full season from Fielder who's one of the best to ever put on a Brewer uniform.

 

 

Davein - I understand your point, but these fans will come back in a couple years once the pitching prospects we could acquire could make it to the big leagues. The pitching in our minor leagues has to one of the worst in the MLB and it will most likely stay that way for several years. We cannot be players this trading deadline because we have absoultely no pitching pieces that we can trade.

No. This is foolish.

Keep Prince. If anything lock him up!

TheWiscSportsNut2:

No. This is foolish.

Keep Prince. If anything lock him up!

Your foolish if you think that Brewers will be able to lock Prince up.  The Brewers will not be able to afford to keep him, his asking price will be too steep.  No, Prince is headed for NY or Bos after it is all said and done.  Can you imagine Prince hitting in that park in NY?  He could probabably hit 100 HRs. 

Hard to see NY because they have Texeria locked up for 6 years and don't think they will want to pay a DH 20 mil a year.