CheeseCityFan:

October 30

October 30, 1967:  In the mist and mud of Busch Stadium, the Packers rallied to defeat the St. Louis Cardinals, 31-23, in rare, pre-merger, MNF appearance.  The host Cardinals were not in awe of the World Champion Packers and rallied, themselves, from a 14-10 second quarter deficit to go into the locker room ahead at the half, 20-14. When a Jim Bakken 8 yard FG put the Cardinals up, 23-17, in the fourth quarter, the Cardinals appeared to be putting some distance from the Packers. 

Then came the game changer and the debut of a new playmaker for the Packers.

On the ensuing kickoff, rookie speedster Travis Williams took ball 93 yards for a score, leaving a stunned Cardinal coverage unit behind in the mire.  The Packers would never look back from that point on and tacked on another TD--a five yard arial from Starr to Dowler--as insurance.

Williams would continue to pay dividends for the Packers as a kick returner during the '67 season.

(hat tip to pro-football-reference.com)

I was going to post about this game, too, CCF.  I noticed the Monday night connection.  60's Monday nighters usually happened when baseball threw the schedule out of whack.  I'd think the '67 "impossible dream" Series btw the baseball cards and the Red Sox had something to do with this one in St Louis.  The Packers and Detroit played a Monday Nighter in '64.  It had the highest attendance for a Pro game in Michigan at the time.  I'm pretty sure that fact was not lost on ABC TV Execs when they bought the Monday night package in '70.

 Green Bay won the football game, but St. Louis quarterback Jim Hart made believers of the Packers. The world champion Packers used two fourth-quarter touchdowns to overcome a brilliant performance by the 23-year-old Hart and whipped the Cardinals 31-23. "We're glad to get out of that one alive," sighed Green Bay halfback Elijah Pitts after the game. Although it rained much of the day in St. Louis, the downpour slowed to a mist during most of the game. Green Bay turned an intercepted pass and a 93-yard kickoff return into touchdowns to offset Hart's performance. The young quarterback passed for two touchdowns and completed 16 of 29 passes for 317 yards.

 Herb Adderley took back a 1st quarter pass for 6 as defense and spec teams carried the day for the aging Pack against the upstart Cards.

lamboo:

Travis (Roadrunner) Williams.

Set the record for KR TD's in '67 with 4.

Although the mark of 4 KO returns for TDs has been matched, the amazing thing is that Williams' KO return average of 41.1 yards in the '67 season has not.

KYPack:

CheeseCityFan:

October 30

October 30, 1967:  In the mist and mud of Busch Stadium, the Packers rallied to defeat the St. Louis Cardinals, 31-23, in rare, pre-merger, MNF appearance.  The host Cardinals were not in awe of the World Champion Packers and rallied, themselves, from a 14-10 second quarter deficit to go into the locker room ahead at the half, 20-14. When a Jim Bakken 8 yard FG put the Cardinals up, 23-17, in the fourth quarter, the Cardinals appeared to be putting some distance from the Packers. 

Then came the game changer and the debut of a new playmaker for the Packers.

On the ensuing kickoff, rookie speedster Travis Williams took ball 93 yards for a score, leaving a stunned Cardinal coverage unit behind in the mire.  The Packers would never look back from that point on and tacked on another TD--a five yard arial from Starr to Dowler--as insurance.

Williams would continue to pay dividends for the Packers as a kick returner during the '67 season.

(hat tip to pro-football-reference.com)

 

I was going to post about this game, too, CCF.  I noticed the Monday night connection.  60's Monday nighters usually happened when baseball threw the schedule out of whack.  I'd think the '67 "impossible dream" Series btw the baseball cards and the Red Sox had something to do with this one in St Louis.  The Packers and Detroit played a Monday Nighter in '64.  It had the highest attendance for a Pro game in Michigan at the time.  I'm pretty sure that fact was not lost on ABC TV Execs when they bought the Monday night package in '70.

 Green Bay won the football game, but St. Louis quarterback Jim Hart made believers of the Packers. The world champion Packers used two fourth-quarter touchdowns to overcome a brilliant performance by the 23-year-old Hart and whipped the Cardinals 31-23. "We're glad to get out of that one alive," sighed Green Bay halfback Elijah Pitts after the game. Although it rained much of the day in St. Louis, the downpour slowed to a mist during most of the game. Green Bay turned an intercepted pass and a 93-yard kickoff return into touchdowns to offset Hart's performance. The young quarterback passed for two touchdowns and completed 16 of 29 passes for 317 yards.

 Herb Adderley took back a 1st quarter pass for 6 as defense and spec teams carried the day for the aging Pack against the upstart Cards.

Now, here'a bit of trivia for you, and I suspect that it something to do with baseball, too.  In both the '67 MNF game and the second Lions game in '68, I noticed that both Busch Stadium and Tiger Stadium (both of which were sites for the '68 WS) did not use the sling-shot goal posts for those games.  Late in the season, yes, but not in those games.  They both used the wooden, two post goal posts, with the posts offset from the goal line by three yards, the uprights 20' feet high.

CheeseCityFan:

lamboo:

Travis (Roadrunner) Williams.

Set the record for KR TD's in '67 with 4.

Although the mark of 4 KO returns for TDs has been matched, the amazing thing is that Williams' KO return average of 41.1 yards in the '67 season has not.

It had to be nice being able to count on such great field position. That is a sick stat.

Cheese, that rates a big "I'm not worthy"!

 How do you know what kind of goalposts were used in those games?

CheeseCityFan:

KYPack:

CheeseCityFan:

October 30

October 30, 1967:  In the mist and mud of Busch Stadium, the Packers rallied to defeat the St. Louis Cardinals, 31-23, in rare, pre-merger, MNF appearance.  The host Cardinals were not in awe of the World Champion Packers and rallied, themselves, from a 14-10 second quarter deficit to go into the locker room ahead at the half, 20-14. When a Jim Bakken 8 yard FG put the Cardinals up, 23-17, in the fourth quarter, the Cardinals appeared to be putting some distance from the Packers. 

Then came the game changer and the debut of a new playmaker for the Packers.

On the ensuing kickoff, rookie speedster Travis Williams took ball 93 yards for a score, leaving a stunned Cardinal coverage unit behind in the mire.  The Packers would never look back from that point on and tacked on another TD--a five yard arial from Starr to Dowler--as insurance.

Williams would continue to pay dividends for the Packers as a kick returner during the '67 season.

(hat tip to pro-football-reference.com)

 

I was going to post about this game, too, CCF.  I noticed the Monday night connection.  60's Monday nighters usually happened when baseball threw the schedule out of whack.  I'd think the '67 "impossible dream" Series btw the baseball cards and the Red Sox had something to do with this one in St Louis.  The Packers and Detroit played a Monday Nighter in '64.  It had the highest attendance for a Pro game in Michigan at the time.  I'm pretty sure that fact was not lost on ABC TV Execs when they bought the Monday night package in '70.

 Green Bay won the football game, but St. Louis quarterback Jim Hart made believers of the Packers. The world champion Packers used two fourth-quarter touchdowns to overcome a brilliant performance by the 23-year-old Hart and whipped the Cardinals 31-23. "We're glad to get out of that one alive," sighed Green Bay halfback Elijah Pitts after the game. Although it rained much of the day in St. Louis, the downpour slowed to a mist during most of the game. Green Bay turned an intercepted pass and a 93-yard kickoff return into touchdowns to offset Hart's performance. The young quarterback passed for two touchdowns and completed 16 of 29 passes for 317 yards.

 Herb Adderley took back a 1st quarter pass for 6 as defense and spec teams carried the day for the aging Pack against the upstart Cards.

Now, here'a bit of trivia for you, and I suspect that it something to do with baseball, too.  In both the '67 MNF game and the second Lions game in '68, I noticed that both Busch Stadium and Tiger Stadium (both of which were sites for the '68 WS) did not use the sling-shot goal posts for those games.  Late in the season, yes, but not in those games.  They both used the wooden, two post goal posts, with the posts offset from the goal line by three yards, the uprights 20' feet high.

Wow. I would not want to be an individual that has ever wronged either of you guys...with the powers of recall that you fellows display on this thread I'll bet you never forget a damn thing. 

Note to self, stay on the good side of KY and CCF.

This thread reminded me of one of the most electrifying / satisfying football afternoon (other than our Championship / SB wins of course) that I can recall.

The PO game vs the Rams in '67. We had lost to a young and hungry LA team during the regular season - and they were much like the Cowboys - just entering into a long period of relative dominance after years of mediocrity.

We were at home - but few people / experts, including myself, had a warm fuzzy at the thoughts of playing these guys again. They may have even been favored due to a stronger regular season performance and the earlier win.

As I recall they jumped out to a 7 - 0 lead and had the ball with a chance to score again. We stopped em. Travis Williams ripped off the 50+ yard TD run and that was all she wrote. A convincing 28-0 win. I think Henry Jordan sacked Gabriel 4 or 5 times.

A glorious day.

The only other PO game I can think of to compare it to was the Seattle game in '07 where we started dreadfully only to eventually win going away - at home.

What a feeling of euphoria following each of those wins.

Pretty rare.

KYPack:

Cheese, that rates a big "I'm not worthy"!

 How do you know what kind of goalposts were used in those games?

I remember seeing footage of those games--I've got the Cardinal game highlights on my '67 Packers team video, and I just remember the second Lions game in '68.  '67, BTW, was the year that the NFL went to the sling-shot goal posts.

BTW, prior to the "Chandler Extensions" in '66, when the Packers played in County Stadium, the goal posts there were the most primitive things I have ever seen: the uprights were nothing more than two two by fours nailed together and the cross bar was just a piece of pipe held on by u-brackets.  Then they had some funky decorative tape on the posts, placed in barberpole stripe fashion.

lamboo:

This thread reminded me of one of the most electrifying / satisfying football afternoon (other than our Championship / SB wins of course) that I can recall.

The PO game vs the Rams in '67. We had lost to a young and hungry LA team during the regular season - and they were much like the Cowboys - just entering into a long period of relative dominance after years of mediocrity.

We were at home - but few people / experts, including myself, had a warm fuzzy at the thoughts of playing these guys again. They may have even been favored due to a stronger regular season performance and the earlier win.

As I recall they jumped out to a 7 - 0 lead and had the ball with a chance to score again. We stopped em. Travis Williams ripped off the 50+ yard TD run and that was all she wrote. A convincing 28-0 win. I think Henry Jordan sacked Gabriel 4 or 5 times.

A glorious day.

The only other PO game I can think of to compare it to was the Seattle game in '07 where we started dreadfully only to eventually win going away - at home.

What a feeling of euphoria following each of those wins.

Pretty rare.

Actually, Boo, the final was 28-7, and the Rams jumped out to an early 7-0 on a Gabriel to Casey pass.  A rare Starr interception set the Rams up for a FG that could have put them up 10-0, but I believe Dave Robinson blocked Bruce Gossett's FG attempt and the Packers began the rally.

I'm sure we'll be discussing that game on 12/23. :-)

And yes, the Packers were home dogs in that game.

Gentlemen and ladies - This is the latest installment of Packer anecdotes on my website. Anything appear incorrect or confusing? - Aaron

CheeseCityFan:

KYPack:

Cheese, that rates a big "I'm not worthy"!

 How do you know what kind of goalposts were used in those games?

I remember seeing footage of those games--I've got the Cardinal game highlights on my '67 Packers team video, and I just remember the second Lions game in '68.  '67, BTW, was the year that the NFL went to the sling-shot goal posts.

BTW, prior to the "Chandler Extensions" in '66, when the Packers played in County Stadium, the goal posts there were the most primitive things I have ever seen: the uprights were nothing more than two two by fours nailed together and the cross bar was just a piece of pipe held on by u-brackets.  Then they had some funky decorative tape on the posts, placed in barberpole stripe fashion.

Oustanding CCF, my older brother made mention of that same aspect of County.  He called them Willy Wonka goalposts.

Of all play-off years 67 had to be the best coaching by Lombardi.  Playthe rams and Williams runs for over 100 yards, does he get the start against the Cowboys?  No, he starts Chuck Mercien, a cast off from the Giants.  Mercein does such a good job that....no wait.....Lombardi starts Ben Wilson against the Raiders.  Three of the biggest games and Lombardi uses three different Rbs to bethe work horses.  All three come through with flying colors.

 That is why Lomabrdi will lawys be the greatest coach in the NFL.  He didn't laways have the best talent, but he lways got the best out of each player. 

CheeseCityFan:

lamboo:

This thread reminded me of one of the most electrifying / satisfying football afternoon (other than our Championship / SB wins of course) that I can recall.

The PO game vs the Rams in '67. We had lost to a young and hungry LA team during the regular season - and they were much like the Cowboys - just entering into a long period of relative dominance after years of mediocrity.

We were at home - but few people / experts, including myself, had a warm fuzzy at the thoughts of playing these guys again. They may have even been favored due to a stronger regular season performance and the earlier win.

As I recall they jumped out to a 7 - 0 lead and had the ball with a chance to score again. We stopped em. Travis Williams ripped off the 50+ yard TD run and that was all she wrote. A convincing 28-0 win. I think Henry Jordan sacked Gabriel 4 or 5 times.

A glorious day.

The only other PO game I can think of to compare it to was the Seattle game in '07 where we started dreadfully only to eventually win going away - at home.

What a feeling of euphoria following each of those wins.

Pretty rare.

Actually, Boo, the final was 28-7, and the Rams jumped out to an early 7-0 on a Gabriel to Casey pass.  A rare Starr interception set the Rams up for a FG that could have put them up 10-0, but I believe Dave Robinson blocked Bruce Gossett's FG attempt and the Packers began the rally.

I'm sure we'll be discussing that game on 12/23. :-)

And yes, the Packers were home dogs in that game.

Correct - typo on my part.

Thanks for the details RE the 2nd Rams scoring opp.

arkramer:

Gentlemen and ladies - This is the latest installment of Packer anecdotes on my website. Anything appear incorrect or confusing? - Aaron

MILWAUKEE AND THE OTHER PRO LEAGUES

    Milwaukee's last outdoor pro football franchise, the Chiefs, closed its doors in 1941, when the American Football League shut down for World War II. When another American Football League was launched in 1960, it took only a few years for the league to turn its sites to Wisconsin. After granting an expansion team to Atlanta in June 1965, the league said it was also looking at Chicago and Milwaukee for a 10th franchise, after a deal with Philadelphia started to fall apart. In June,  commissioner Joe Foss came to the city to tape a television show. He said the city was one of six the league was looking at for an expansion team. Foss said the AFL needed another Midwestern team to complement the Kansas City Chiefs. Marvin Fishman was the spokesman for a group seeking an AFL team, with former Notre Dame coach Terry Brennan also among the organizers. In July, the team sent a $900,000 letter of credit to the AFL, which said it wanted to add two teams in 1966 and two more in 1968.  In November, Fishman said that he was looking for 30,000 season ticket pledges.

    In April 1966, Fishman was told to ask Vince Lombardi for permission to hold an AFL exhibition game between the Jets and Dolphins later that summer. The Packers, who had an exclusive contract with County Stadium through the 1968 season, predictably said no two days later. Fishman said he expected the game would have brought a crowd of 40,000. Later that summer, Fishman apparently had switched his sights to a franchise in the Continental Football League, and threatened litigation to force County Stadium to open its doors to a team other than the Packers. Nothing came of the threat, but Milwaukee was granted a CFL franchise in January 1967 at a cost of $25,000.

    In March 1967, it was reported that the Milwaukee CFL franchise was in jeopardy, and the league was waiting on a decision from an investory to place a team in New York. If that team did not come to pass, the CFL planned to place a team in Chicago or Akron in addition to Milwaukee. Later that month, Fishman announced the team would not launch until 1968. Nothing more would be heard about the franchise, and Fishman moved onto another project - acquiring an NBA franchise, which he did in January 1968 with the Bucks.

    Milwaukee was briefly mentioned as a possible franchise in the World Football when it formed in 1973. In December of that year, Birmingham owner Bill Putman listed off six cities, including Milwaukee, that were being considered for teams after the first wave of franchises was issued. By January 1974, the WFL was formed without Milwaukee.

   In 1994, Fishman was back in the news, confirming reports that he was exploring the possibility of bringing a CFL franchise. Milwaukee Mayor John Norquist was open to the idea after the Packers decided that they would no longer play any regular season games at County Stadium. CFL Commissioner Larry Smith said Milwaukee would probably acquire a current team, rather than an expansion franchise, an it was one of the five cities that Las Vegas owner Nick Mileti is considering as a potential home for his team. By January 1995, it was reported that the only stumbling block for a move to Milwaukee by  the Posse is a "suitable lease agreement" for use of County Stadium. Nothing came to pass and the team eventually folded in April.

    The most recent flirtations with pro football have come in the form of the new USFL, which has been rumored to be trying to launch in 2010. Milwaukee is one of more than 30 cities being considered. In September 2009, United Football League Commissioner Michael Huyghue said his fledgling league has plans to add two teams a year for the next three years. And Milwaukee, he says, would be one of the cities under consideration.
http://www.the-kramerfamily.com/2007PACKERS.html

 I'd add a little more detail on who Fishman was.

 Also, the CFL part is a little confusing.  Spell out "Continental League", as readers might tangle it with the Canadian CFL.

Is that all you have on the site on the Milwaukee Chiefs and AFL-III?

They were a pretty good team and had Curly pretty worried for a bit, more detail might help.

For instance, I've never known what their colors were.  There isn't much history on 'em.

Typo in second sentence.  "Sights", not sites

The AFL expanded into Miami, not Atlanta.

They added Cincy after that.

 "Investor" not investory

KY - Thanks, that is why I submit these pieces for review.

* As for Fishman, I will work a bit more on what his background was
* The AFL did expand into Atlanta first, then the NFL came in and convinced the owners to move to their league. Joe Robbie wanted to place that other expansion franchise in Philadelphia, but was convinced by the AFL to move the franchise to Miami and replace Atlanta.
* As for the Chiefs, I have more here: