By this idiot's standards, there is really only one coach, Tressel, that shouldn't be fired.

Brewser: Canned.

Dantonio: Fired

Purdue: Shoulda never had Tiller for as many years as they did.

Ill: Zook. Can him

Iowa: Ferentz had a number of down years.

NU: Fired.

PSU: JoePa shoulda been fired after those down years.

etc.

Standards?????????????  Who's an idiot?

Splain this to me, how does a coaching staff allow a play to get run with only 10 men on the field.  Yep, that's what the boy genius' staff did on the second interception that was run back for a touchdown

No way this team wins constantly against quality opponents when you'll accept that standard of preparedness and attention to detail.

jimmythegreek:

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team. 

 

uh, you need to get your eyes checked.  badger defense shut down buckeye run game.  our offense moved the ball consistently.  badgers rolled up 368 yards of offense against one of the best defenses in the nation.  hell, even USC only had 318.  enough with the melodrama.

i agree that special teams breakdowns are unaccpetable and that goes straight to coaching.  it's been a problem since day one of BB's tenure.  however, the fact that this team did not quit, and fought until the very end with a legit chance goes to show that the 2008 team/attitude is much different than this years.

well by your standards, Navy is better than USC since Navy racked up 342yds against the OSU defense.  BTW, UW racked up 368yds while having the ball for 42 minutes....Navy racked up 342yds while having the ball for less than 30-minutes.

Seeing that UW had the ball for over 42 minutes I don't find the 368-yds against OSU's defense to be a revelation.  I mean if you are going to give credit to UW's offense for moving the ball on OSU then give equal credit to the OSU defense for clamping down when UW was within sniffing distance of the end zone. 

Again, I think it was more of a factor that OSU's offense sucked than UW's defense stepping up. 

But the game was won by OSU special teams and capitalizing on turnovers. 

runningwithscissors:

jimmythegreek:

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team. 

 

uh, you need to get your eyes checked.  badger defense shut down buckeye run game.  our offense moved the ball consistently.  badgers rolled up 368 yards of offense against one of the best defenses in the nation.  hell, even USC only had 318.  enough with the melodrama.

i agree that special teams breakdowns are unaccpetable and that goes straight to coaching.  it's been a problem since day one of BB's tenure.  however, the fact that this team did not quit, and fought until the very end with a legit chance goes to show that the 2008 team/attitude is much different than this years.

well by your standards, Navy is better than USC since Navy racked up 342yds against the OSU defense.  BTW, UW racked up 368yds while having the ball for 42 minutes....Navy racked up 342yds while having the ball for less than 30-minutes.

Seeing that UW had the ball for over 42 minutes I don't find the 368-yds against OSU's defense to be a revelation.

Again, I think it was more of a factor that OSU's offense sucked than UW's defense stepping up. 

But the game was won by OSU special teams and capitalizing on turnovers. 

RWS, did they belong on the same field as osu or not? 

we'll never know whether it was our defense or their crappy offense, however the badgers the did what they had to on defense to win this game. 

jimmythegreek:

runningwithscissors:

jimmythegreek:

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team. 

 

uh, you need to get your eyes checked.  badger defense shut down buckeye run game.  our offense moved the ball consistently.  badgers rolled up 368 yards of offense against one of the best defenses in the nation.  hell, even USC only had 318.  enough with the melodrama.

i agree that special teams breakdowns are unaccpetable and that goes straight to coaching.  it's been a problem since day one of BB's tenure.  however, the fact that this team did not quit, and fought until the very end with a legit chance goes to show that the 2008 team/attitude is much different than this years.

well by your standards, Navy is better than USC since Navy racked up 342yds against the OSU defense.  BTW, UW racked up 368yds while having the ball for 42 minutes....Navy racked up 342yds while having the ball for less than 30-minutes.

Seeing that UW had the ball for over 42 minutes I don't find the 368-yds against OSU's defense to be a revelation.

Again, I think it was more of a factor that OSU's offense sucked than UW's defense stepping up. 

But the game was won by OSU special teams and capitalizing on turnovers. 

RWS, did they belong on the same field as osu or not? 

we'll never know whether it was our defense or their crappy offense, however the badgers the did what they had to on defense to win this game. 

Where was the D before half time? 

What I have issue with is the one or two times in each game we've played where UW has allowed opponents a quick strike before half or before the end of the game.  Remember Northern ILL?  MSU?  Minn?  now OSU before half?  Where's the improvement/adjustments to get this fixed?

wmvusa:

Standards?????????????  Who's an idiot?

Splain this to me, how does a coaching staff allow a play to get run with only 10 men on the field.  Yep, that's what the boy genius' staff did on the second interception that was run back for a touchdown

No way this team wins constantly against quality opponents when you'll accept that standard of preparedness and attention to detail.

  

It's football.  Splain to me how a staff allows a delay of game, ineleigible man down field, 12 men on the field, illegal formation, illegal contact, tripping, grounding, or any of the other multitude of penalties that happen in a game.  What do you define as a "quality" opponent? 

runningwithscissors:

jimmythegreek:

runningwithscissors:

jimmythegreek:

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team. 

 

uh, you need to get your eyes checked.  badger defense shut down buckeye run game.  our offense moved the ball consistently.  badgers rolled up 368 yards of offense against one of the best defenses in the nation.  hell, even USC only had 318.  enough with the melodrama.

i agree that special teams breakdowns are unaccpetable and that goes straight to coaching.  it's been a problem since day one of BB's tenure.  however, the fact that this team did not quit, and fought until the very end with a legit chance goes to show that the 2008 team/attitude is much different than this years.

well by your standards, Navy is better than USC since Navy racked up 342yds against the OSU defense.  BTW, UW racked up 368yds while having the ball for 42 minutes....Navy racked up 342yds while having the ball for less than 30-minutes.

Seeing that UW had the ball for over 42 minutes I don't find the 368-yds against OSU's defense to be a revelation.

Again, I think it was more of a factor that OSU's offense sucked than UW's defense stepping up. 

But the game was won by OSU special teams and capitalizing on turnovers. 

RWS, did they belong on the same field as osu or not? 

we'll never know whether it was our defense or their crappy offense, however the badgers the did what they had to on defense to win this game. 

Where was the D before half time? 

What I have issue with is the one or two times in each game we've played where UW has allowed opponents a quick strike before half or before the end of the game.  Remember Northern ILL?  MSU?  Minn?  now OSU before half?  Where's the improvement/adjustments to get this fixed?

I think he was looking for an answer to that question.

after how they played the game?  no.

jimmythegreek:

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team. 

 

uh, you need to get your eyes checked.  badger defense shut down buckeye run game.  our offense moved the ball consistently.  badgers rolled up 368 yards of offense against one of the best defenses in the nation.  hell, even USC only had 318.  enough with the melodrama.

i agree that special teams breakdowns are unaccpetable and that goes straight to coaching.  it's been a problem since day one of BB's tenure.  however, the fact that this team did not quit, and fought until the very end with a legit chance goes to show that the 2008 team/attitude is much different than this years.

What good are yards when you don't score? The only touchdown the team scored was a fake FG.  The turnovers were bad too.  There's a lot more than yards to an offense. 

thebiga:

pdevine22:

Sadly, this is something I don't see continuing.  The Badgers will beat, sometimes just barely, teams that they should beat (like NIU and Indiana).  They will never beat a team like Ohio State.

Did you watch the game on Saturday?  They were beating Ohio State.  Problem is, they also beat themselves.  Turnovers and special teams breakdowns are killers to teams with a thin margin between victory and defeat.  Wisconsin is one of those teams.

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team.

Again, did you watch the game?  The defense was great (and who'd have thought that going into the season?).  One bad drive at the end of the first half and that's it.  Offensively, they moved the ball well, but made a couple killer mistakes.  Young teams will do that.  Special teams still isn't there yet, I will concede.  But if you really watched the game, you have to see that UW was a worthy opponent to OSU.  OSU is the better team, but UW isn't far behind.  It was certainly a winnable game that got away unfortunately.

pdevine22:

BB probably doesn't deserve to be fired right now, but I would not be upset to see him go.

Why?  His coaching this season has made me believe that Barry made a good choice.  This team is much improved compared to last season and it's also much younger.  Bret is improving the squad with his coaching and his recruits.  Why would you get rid of a guy who does that?

pdevine22:

His record isn't that impressive considering his weak non-conference schedule and inheriting a very good team that Alvarez built but is now down to mediocre.

Yeah, Barry never played a weak nc schedule.  And as AD, I'm sure he has no input on current schedules either. 

Bret inherited a good squad in his first season, I agree.  But you can't crucify Bielema now because he had a good first season.  And if you give Barry credit for the 2006 players, he also needs to accept some of the blame for last seasons guys too because half that team were his recruits.  Look at all the young guys that play today, including freshmen.  That's all BB.

yes I watched the game.  And where did I say that it was BB's fault that there was a weak nonconference schedule? I didn't, so why would I care if Alvarez had input in who they played? My point was that it should be considered when looking at his W-L record.  The only reason the Badgers scored a touchdown was a fake FG.  The offense could not run the ball outside of the WR sweeps which stopped working after about 3 tries.  The O-line really looks a lot less physical against a good team than against Wofford or NIU.  I don't expect the Badgers to be as good as OSU, but at least reanked sometime.  Alvarez had them as a highly ranked team when he handed them to BB and it's been downhill since.  Luckily, this team seems to be quite a bit better than last year but they have not played a lot of good teams yet, and the only really good team beat them by 20.  And there will be a lot of returners next year, but I'm not really worried about next year yet.

wmvusa:

with the caveat he had the benefit of Barry's players for his 2 top 25 wins in 2006/07.

Your caveat is flawed.  It was known well in advance of the 2005 season (Barry's last) that Bielema was the next coach.  Anyone deciding after that point clearly knew who he was playing for.  Barry's "guys" had to buy in...some left.  You can try to say that 2006 and stretch it to 2007 also and say that it was done with Barry's guys...you'd be wrong.  After all, if they had gone 4-8 in either of those years, would you be willing to say:  "Well, those were Barry's guys."   Not a chance.  He got them to places Barry couldn't as it was.

wmvusa:

I'll still make the 7 hour drive to  watch Bucky hopefully beat Michigan.

My advice....stay home.

jimmythegreek:

runningwithscissors:

jimmythegreek:

pdevine22:

They did not look like they belonged on the same field Saturday, the first time they played a really solid team. 

 

uh, you need to get your eyes checked.  badger defense shut down buckeye run game.  our offense moved the ball consistently.  badgers rolled up 368 yards of offense against one of the best defenses in the nation.  hell, even USC only had 318.  enough with the melodrama.

i agree that special teams breakdowns are unaccpetable and that goes straight to coaching.  it's been a problem since day one of BB's tenure.  however, the fact that this team did not quit, and fought until the very end with a legit chance goes to show that the 2008 team/attitude is much different than this years.

well by your standards, Navy is better than USC since Navy racked up 342yds against the OSU defense.  BTW, UW racked up 368yds while having the ball for 42 minutes....Navy racked up 342yds while having the ball for less than 30-minutes.

Seeing that UW had the ball for over 42 minutes I don't find the 368-yds against OSU's defense to be a revelation.

Again, I think it was more of a factor that OSU's offense sucked than UW's defense stepping up. 

But the game was won by OSU special teams and capitalizing on turnovers. 

RWS, did they belong on the same field as osu or not? 

we'll never know whether it was our defense or their crappy offense, however the badgers the did what they had to on defense to win this game. 

The offense and special teams were bad, but I agree with you that the defense looked good Saturday

wmvusa:

Splain this to me, how does a coaching staff allow a play to get run with only 10 men on the field.  Yep, that's what the boy genius' staff did on the second interception that was run back for a touchdown

It never happens anywhere....ever.

Someone sounds a little bitter when he still wants to toss "boy genius" around.  What are you going to do when January passes and he's still here?

pdevine22:

Alvarez had them as a highly ranked team when he handed them to BB and it's been downhill since.

Huh?

Alvarez' last two teams were good.  Both finished in the twenties.  Is that "highly ranked?"  Pretty generous considering your negative stance today.

We're about the same, really.

pdevine22:

And there will be a lot of returners next year, but I'm not really worried about next year yet.

You're worried about now, even though this team seems to be "quite a bit better."   Hmmmmm.   Looks like we're just fine.

So much bellyaching over a loss to a good team on the road.....

Nice thread!

I'll still be cheering for the Badgers and hopefully saying boy was I wrong back in October.  If things go as I expect (mediocre) and Bret is still the coach, I'll pray that somehow things get better before they get worse.