runningwithscissors:

Nobody is bailing but what we are looking for is improvement from last year.  So far, even when UW was 4-0, I don't see it. 

We haven't been routed by anyone unlike last year.

We can pass, unlike last year.

We have a much better defense, unlike last year.

Winning games still come down to execution and holding onto the ball.  We have been in good position to win, even in the two losses.

You're only seeing what you want to see.  It ain't exactly there, scissors.

puddyellow:

runningwithscissors:

Nobody is bailing but what we are looking for is improvement from last year.  So far, even when UW was 4-0, I don't see it. 

We haven't been routed by anyone unlike last year.

We can pass, unlike last year.

We have a much better defense, unlike last year.

Winning games still come down to execution and holding onto the ball.  We have been in good position to win, even in the two losses.

You're only seeing what you want to see.  It ain't exactly there, scissors.

Hey Pudd,

where did you purchase your Brett Bielema swimsuit calendar?  I was thinking about buying one for my grandmother to put on the wall in her nursing home.

Thanks,

Guru

puddyellow:

runningwithscissors:

Nobody is bailing but what we are looking for is improvement from last year.  So far, even when UW was 4-0, I don't see it. 

We haven't been routed by anyone unlike last year.

We can pass, unlike last year.

We have a much better defense, unlike last year.

Winning games still come down to execution and holding onto the ball.  We have been in good position to win, even in the two losses.

You're only seeing what you want to see.  It ain't exactly there, scissors.

Usually I agree with most you have to post puddy, but look up the stats, UW is on track with similar defensive stats as '08.  UW hasn't been routed yet but our pass game has 9 TD's and 8 INT's.  I guess after last  year that might be an improvement but is that what you really want or expected?

It was inexcusable to insert CP for ST when UW was up 10-0.....especially after ST had a sensational series of downs and was moving the team....I read also that it was predetermined to insert CP at that juncture in the game....What? Don't you see how the flow of the game is going first before you do something like that? Momentum is so important,,,were they trying to interrupt that momemtum? Totally stupid by the coaches.....

We received in the 2nd half....this is where the trouble really began....where was the ingenuity on offense? Didn't we realize that most of the time this offense clicks better after we have opened things up with the pass? Honest it looked like a replay of the Michigan game where we were playing not to lose instead of attacking....Graham went down...but we still had Kendricks who has proved more than capable...I understand with graham out we lost some blocking prowess....but still we were not really attacking Iowas defense which we should have been doing from the get go starting the second half...where was the pass in the flat to Toon that proved successful in the first half? and..why don't we utilize the shotgun  in obvious passing downs so ST can have more of chance to see the field..other teams do it? Hitting Ball out of the backfield? To me there were chances to try some things before we got down...and we didn't do it. It seems we were continually forcing ST into 3rd and longs,,,and he was under pressure from an Iowa team that knows a pass is coming. This loss was to me a direct result of coaching or more aptly put a lack of coaching... There were too many run plays called on first and second downs when they were not working....

The silver lining in my estimation is this is a talented team...a young team...that is getting better on defense but is being seriously underutilized on offense... If we were commiting to the run as we definitely were in the second half...wouldn't that have been a time for Phillips insertion into the game for a few series....It just seems that they were alternatives that were never seen....

i agree that the team is young, but the same symptoms that plagued the team last year are still evident this year.  Like I said before though, there is still enough time to have a good season and maybe even a great season still when you take in to consideration the team was picked for 7th and 8th in the BT. 

Inserting CP was the most idiotic move I've seen BB make outside of the penalty last year @ MSU which in the end gave MSU the win.

CollegeFootballGuru:

puddyellow:

runningwithscissors:

Nobody is bailing but what we are looking for is improvement from last year.  So far, even when UW was 4-0, I don't see it. 

We haven't been routed by anyone unlike last year.

We can pass, unlike last year.

We have a much better defense, unlike last year.

Winning games still come down to execution and holding onto the ball.  We have been in good position to win, even in the two losses.

You're only seeing what you want to see.  It ain't exactly there, scissors.

 

Hey Pudd,

where did you purchase your Brett Bielema swimsuit calendar?  I was thinking about buying one for my grandmother to put on the wall in her nursing home.

 

Thanks,

 

Guru

You're going to have to pull the attendant off her for her to see it.

runningwithscissors:

i agree that the team is young, but the same symptoms that plagued the team last year are still evident this year.  Like I said before though, there is still enough time to have a good season and maybe even a great season still when you take in to consideration the team was picked for 7th and 8th in the BT. 

Inserting CP was the most idiotic move I've seen BB make outside of the penalty last year @ MSU which in the end gave MSU the win.

Tolzien had a horrible game.  If you think that inserting Phillips in for three plays (of which, he was the only one who gained yards) was such a disaster, then you missed the entire game.  Phillips probably needed to play more given how the game ended.

We ran the ball 18 times to 9 passes prior.

...and how many points did the offense churn out after Phillips left the field?

pastaboy:

but still we were not really attacking Iowas defense which we should have been doing from the get go starting the second half...where was the pass in the flat to Toon that proved successful in the first half? and..why don't we utilize the shotgun  in obvious passing downs so ST can have more of chance to see the field..other teams do it? Hitting Ball out of the backfield? To me there were chances to try some things before we got down...and we didn't do it. It seems we were continually forcing ST into 3rd and longs,,,and he was under pressure from an Iowa team that knows a pass is coming. This loss was to me a direct result of coaching or more aptly put a lack of coaching... There were too many run plays called on first and second downs when they were not working....

Pasta...we were still heavy running to start the second half.  When we did pass, we got picked off 3 times out of the 15 attempts.  There were only 10 passes attempted in the first half.  We gained a grand total of nine yards rushing in the second half.  That and the three picks were what caused us to lose.  Give credit where credit is due:  Iowa played a great defensive game.  None of that had anything to do with Phillips.

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to figure out that Iowa is a good team, especially defensively. Penn State led them by the same score as us, and did the same exact thing to them. Iowa did what all good teams do in the second half, they imposed their will on us, and we could do nothing about it. It wasn't playing calling, it was them. And, it didn't help with 4 of our best players hurting.

Instead of blaming the badgers, how about giving Iowa some credit. We essentially lost to a top 10 team by 7 points (if welch makes a the kick).

thebaumer:

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to figure out that Iowa is a good team, especially defensively. Penn State led them by the same score as us, and did the same exact thing to them. Iowa did what all good teams do in the second half, they imposed their will on us, and we could do nothing about it. It wasn't playing calling, it was them. And, it didn't help with 4 of our best players hurting.

Instead of blaming the badgers, how about giving Iowa some credit. We essentially lost to a top 10 team by 7 points (if welch makes a the kick).

Arkansas St.  lost by 3 and Northern Iowa lost by 1 or win by 2 (if they make the kick).

It was a terrible display in the second half.  John Clay's injury probably hurt us more than you think,  but Tolzien has played against two "good" teams and thrown 5 picks now.  That is just not good enough.  I just wished we would of tried to develop CP more this year.  He seems to have more of a ceiling.

But it's Tolzien time now for good (and he's not bad, just not the strongest arm but good accuracy) or bad.  But I do think his play is the difference between us being a rated team or a mid tier bowl team

runningwithscissors:

Usually I agree with most you have to post puddy, but look up the stats, UW is on track with similar defensive stats as '08.  UW hasn't been routed yet but our pass game has 9 TD's and 8 INT's. 

You're going to need to tell me what HASN'T improved statistically.  We have given up less yards and points.  We are going to pass our season totals for sacks and TFLs in about 2 games.

We are better.  We make mistakes in our secondary, but the front seven have been pretty damn good.  Way better than last year.

puddyellow:

runningwithscissors:

Usually I agree with most you have to post puddy, but look up the stats, UW is on track with similar defensive stats as '08.  UW hasn't been routed yet but our pass game has 9 TD's and 8 INT's. 

 

You're going to need to tell me what HASN'T improved statistically.  We have given up less yards and points.  We are going to pass our season totals for sacks and TFLs in about 2 games.

We are better.  We make mistakes in our secondary, but the front seven have been pretty damn good.  Way better than last year.

I agree.   Our defense has been a pleasant surprise this year.  It gave me some optimism to win some big games, but big mistakes on offense and special teams squashed that

willie key:

puddyellow:

runningwithscissors:

Usually I agree with most you have to post puddy, but look up the stats, UW is on track with similar defensive stats as '08.  UW hasn't been routed yet but our pass game has 9 TD's and 8 INT's. 

 

You're going to need to tell me what HASN'T improved statistically.  We have given up less yards and points.  We are going to pass our season totals for sacks and TFLs in about 2 games.

We are better.  We make mistakes in our secondary, but the front seven have been pretty damn good.  Way better than last year.

I agree.   Our defense has been a pleasant surprise this year.  It gave me some optimism to win some big games, but big mistakes on offense and special teams squashed that

Agreed, Will.  The mistakes have happened to come against the two toughest defenses we'll face all year.  Did anyone expect Tolzien to thrive against OSU and Iowa back in early August?   No one thought he was even on the radar.  I'll cut him some slack for his last two games.

I also give credit to OSU and Iowa.  THEY had more to do with us losing than we did.

And Philip Welch....my god!  Can we get a kicker?  Please?

willie key:

thebaumer:

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to figure out that Iowa is a good team, especially defensively. Penn State led them by the same score as us, and did the same exact thing to them. Iowa did what all good teams do in the second half, they imposed their will on us, and we could do nothing about it. It wasn't playing calling, it was them. And, it didn't help with 4 of our best players hurting.

Instead of blaming the badgers, how about giving Iowa some credit. We essentially lost to a top 10 team by 7 points (if welch makes a the kick).

Arkansas St.  lost by 3 and Northern Iowa lost by 1 or win by 2 (if they make the kick).

It was a terrible display in the second half.  John Clay's injury probably hurt us more than you think,  but Tolzien has played against two "good" teams and thrown 5 picks now.  That is just not good enough.  I just wished we would of tried to develop CP more this year.  He seems to have more of a ceiling.

But it's Tolzien time now for good (and he's not bad, just not the strongest arm but good accuracy) or bad.  But I do think his play is the difference between us being a rated team or a mid tier bowl team

First game of the season is the first game. Lots of teams struggle. Playing a tough FCS team in NI..and rivalry type game. And, final score isn't always indicative.

Terrible: Because Iowa did what Iowa does. The took over. Just like we did to minny.

CP: Guy can't pass. Simple as that. Budmayr will prolly pass him as well.

T: Our line is just too young. They aren't strong enough. There is a huge diff tween an 18 year old and a 21 year old that has been lifting in a college program. Iowa and OSU were destroying our line.  T is what he is, but in order for him to succeed, we need a much better line..and we need our receivers to step up. They haven't. Two games in a row, dropped td passes. Iowa was covering our WRs with LBs and we werent' getting separation.

thebaumer:

willie key:

thebaumer:

I don't understand why it is so hard for people to figure out that Iowa is a good team, especially defensively. Penn State led them by the same score as us, and did the same exact thing to them. Iowa did what all good teams do in the second half, they imposed their will on us, and we could do nothing about it. It wasn't playing calling, it was them. And, it didn't help with 4 of our best players hurting.

Instead of blaming the badgers, how about giving Iowa some credit. We essentially lost to a top 10 team by 7 points (if welch makes a the kick).

Arkansas St.  lost by 3 and Northern Iowa lost by 1 or win by 2 (if they make the kick).

It was a terrible display in the second half.  John Clay's injury probably hurt us more than you think,  but Tolzien has played against two "good" teams and thrown 5 picks now.  That is just not good enough.  I just wished we would of tried to develop CP more this year.  He seems to have more of a ceiling.

But it's Tolzien time now for good (and he's not bad, just not the strongest arm but good accuracy) or bad.  But I do think his play is the difference between us being a rated team or a mid tier bowl team

First game of the season is the first game. Lots of teams struggle. Playing a tough FCS team in NI..and rivalry type game. And, final score isn't always indicative.

Terrible: Because Iowa did what Iowa does. The took over. Just like we did to minny.

CP: Guy can't pass. Simple as that. Budmayr will prolly pass him as well.

T: Our line is just too young. They aren't strong enough. There is a huge diff tween an 18 year old and a 21 year old that has been lifting in a college program. Iowa and OSU were destroying our line.  T is what he is, but in order for him to succeed, we need a much better line..and we need our receivers to step up. They haven't. Two games in a row, dropped td passes. Iowa was covering our WRs with LBs and we werent' getting separation.

Just asking a question.  But if you are saying that the offensive line is not good because they arent strong enough and too young, then why wouldnt you want a QB who can run or move.  BTW, has anyone seen enough of CP to know he cant pass.  It sounded like he was decent during the offseason, etc.   He might not be able too.  But it just sounded like he has a better ceiling than Tolzien.

BTW, any excuse you made for the Ark ST or UNI game could be made in this game.  So stop with the moral victory crap.  The Badgers have enough talent to win this game and they could of won last week.