badger80:

sidney lanier:

badger80:

Are there any commissioners that were really any good, or are they all just money grubbers who, at best, just happened to let a social revolution happen on their watch?

This one wasn't bad. He may have been a little hard on the Shoeless, but he carved out a role for the commissioner to act in the best interests of the game independent of the owners that it took Bud and the boys about 75 years to undo.

Was segregation in the best interest of the game?

Was segregation in the best interests of the country?

Because baseball led the way in regards to integration.

brewguru:

badger80:

sidney lanier:

badger80:

Are there any commissioners that were really any good, or are they all just money grubbers who, at best, just happened to let a social revolution happen on their watch?

This one wasn't bad. He may have been a little hard on the Shoeless, but he carved out a role for the commissioner to act in the best interests of the game independent of the owners that it took Bud and the boys about 75 years to undo.

Was segregation in the best interest of the game?

 

Was segregation in the best interests of the country?

Because baseball led the way in regards to integration.

I'm just saying that we need to consider a person's whole body of work.

How can you have a $200+ million payroll and have Swisher, Melky, and Damon as your outfielders?

badger80:

brewguru:

badger80:

sidney lanier:

badger80:

Are there any commissioners that were really any good, or are they all just money grubbers who, at best, just happened to let a social revolution happen on their watch?

This one wasn't bad. He may have been a little hard on the Shoeless, but he carved out a role for the commissioner to act in the best interests of the game independent of the owners that it took Bud and the boys about 75 years to undo.

Was segregation in the best interest of the game?

 

Was segregation in the best interests of the country?

Because baseball led the way in regards to integration.

Baseball may have led the way, but it was after Landis was gone.

I'm just saying that we need to consider a person's whole body of work.

I'm just saying that baseball gets ripped for segregation when the United States was that way and for 20 years later. There were still drinking fountains for whites and coloreds in the south in the early 60s.

brewguru:

badger80:

brewguru:

badger80:

sidney lanier:

badger80:

Are there any commissioners that were really any good, or are they all just money grubbers who, at best, just happened to let a social revolution happen on their watch?

This one wasn't bad. He may have been a little hard on the Shoeless, but he carved out a role for the commissioner to act in the best interests of the game independent of the owners that it took Bud and the boys about 75 years to undo.

Was segregation in the best interest of the game?

 

Was segregation in the best interests of the country?

Because baseball led the way in regards to integration.

Baseball may have led the way, but it was after Landis was gone.

I'm just saying that we need to consider a person's whole body of work.

 

I'm just saying that baseball gets ripped for segregation when the United States was that way and for 20 years later. There were still drinking fountains for whites and coloreds in the south in the early 60s.

badger80:

brewguru:

badger80:

brewguru:

badger80:

sidney lanier:

badger80:

Are there any commissioners that were really any good, or are they all just money grubbers who, at best, just happened to let a social revolution happen on their watch?

This one wasn't bad. He may have been a little hard on the Shoeless, but he carved out a role for the commissioner to act in the best interests of the game independent of the owners that it took Bud and the boys about 75 years to undo.

Was segregation in the best interest of the game?

 

Was segregation in the best interests of the country?

Because baseball led the way in regards to integration.

Baseball may have led the way, but it was after Landis was gone.

I'm just saying that we need to consider a person's whole body of work.

 

I'm just saying that baseball gets ripped for segregation when the United States was that way and for 20 years later. There were still drinking fountains for whites and coloreds in the south in the early 60s.

I agree and I'm not ripping baseball.  Sidney was holding Landis up as a great baseball commissioner and I was just pointing out that he had some major flaws.

Ah, ok then.

Carry on. :)

Landis stood directly and repeatedly in the way of integration. There were surveys of players that came out that said they weren't opposed, he didn't budge. The negro leagues had success, he doesn't budge. MLB needs to attract new patrons in the depression, he doesn't budge.

The guy may not have been worse than other men of his generation on stuff like this, but he certainly wasn't any better.

 I think that pick off in the top of the fourth gave NY new life. The crowd certainly seemed to wake up after that...and then Tex goes yard. If NY ends up winning this game, I think that pick off might be seen as a turning point.

crichar3:

 I think that pick off in the top of the fourth gave NY new life. The crowd certainly seemed to wake up after that...and then Tex goes yard. If NY ends up winning this game, I think that pick off might be seen as a turning point.

How did Philly score?

badger80:

crichar3:

Einsteinhood:

Happy Chandler, the guy who got out of Branch Rickey's way on integration after Landis stood in the way for years?

 

Opening the game to black players was huge, but if his greatest contribution to the game was the passive act of "getting out of the way" then I would suggest this single "action" falls short of what I think the HoF should be about.

I understand what you're saying, but someone had to take the initiative to do it, and the move wasn't going to be greeted with a shrug by the general public.

Point taken. But does that act alone merit inclusion in the HoF? I don't think so. I think it should chiefly be a place for on-the-field actors. (Insert your Chuck Connors joke here...)

badger80:

Are there any commissioners that were really any good, or are they all just money grubbers who, at best, just happened to let a social revolution happen on their watch?

I don't know if they were all soul-less money grubbers, but I am still at a loss to think of one who merits inclusion.

Einsteinhood:

How did Philly score?

I was just going to reply, but I see they just recapped the Stairs RBI on TV.

Nice, Jeter

Mariano Rivera might be the best relief pitcher of all time.

willie key:

Mariano Rivera might be is the best relief pitcher of all time.

Einsteinhood:

willie key:

Mariano Rivera might be is the best relief pitcher of all time.

fixed.

;-)

Thank U