I love Bo Ryan as a Coach, but I think it is safe to say they wil never be a true contender for a national title because he has never been able to recruit the type of players it takes. He is a guy that does more with less, and I think he'll always have good to very good clubs because of that. I just think that the talent level of his kids even next to the top tier (top 4) in the Big 10 is not favorable.

To answer my own question- Yes, but I still am happy with Bo as Coach. For what he has done, he gets a lifetime pass in my book. I just don't think they will ever truley make a serious run for a title, and I guess I am OK with that.  The only difference being that they will no longer play for Big 10 titles, more for getting into the tourney as a 7 or 8 seed- that will be the high watermark.

So....we won it two years ago, finished second three years ago, and won our first two in eons with Bo as a new coach and we have somehow lost our chance to compete for a league title.

OK....

puddyellow:

So....we won it two years ago, finished second three years ago, and won our first two in eons with Bo as a new coach and we have somehow lost our chance to compete for a league title.

OK....

I really think it is passing him by because the Coaching (and recruiting) in the Big 10 has gotten much better the last couple of years with Coaches like Tubby Smith at Minnesota, Tom Crean in Indiana,  etc. They finished 6th in the Big 10 last year. You can probably expect something similar this year and the next. The rest of the league is getting better Coaches/Recruiters and the Badgers aren't.

So you feel they can be a legit national champ contender EVER under Bo? or do you just think they can challenge every year for the Big 10?
News flash for you would be -don't look now, but Big 10 getting a lot better.  If you do, I guess we just have to differ. My guess for next couple years would be no better then 5th in the Big 10.

I don't know that the coaching has improved in the BT.  Do you really think Tubby and Crean are better coaches than Ryan?  Recruiters I can see, but not coaches.  Yes, the conference is changing and becoming more competitive, but it sounds like you're not giving Ryan the chance to adjust and overcome this.

What is a legit national champ contender?  UW is a school that made the FF as an 8 seed so I need you to define legit contender better.

Big Ten?  They will be a team to be reckoned with every year with Bo.  Challenge for the title every year?  No.  But even Izzo hasn't done that.

Destinos2:

I just think that the talent level of his kids even next to the top tier (top 4) in the Big 10 is not favorable.

We have never finished below 4th in the Big Ten under Ryan.  Even last year Wisconsin was tied for 4th.  But for some reason Wisconsin can't compete with the top 4 even though they have never finished below that.  Makes perfect sense.

God 2 years ago after back to back 30 win seasons you would think a down year or two is likely to happen.

Destinos2:

So you feel they can be a legit national champ contender EVER under Bo?

He has had probably two teams that fit that bill.  One as recently as three years ago.  It's a tough place to join, but he's been the only coach in UW history to reach that level since Bud Foster.  EVER is such a long time.  I wouldn't use it.

Destinos2:

or do you just think they can challenge every year for the Big 10?

They do challenge every year.  We've had two seasons just above .500 in the Big Ten.  The remaining 6 seasons have been pretty soundly in the "challenging" category.  Winning 3 times.

Destinos2:

News flash for you would be -don't look now, but Big 10 getting a lot better.  If you do, I guess we just have to differ. My guess for next couple years would be no better then 5th in the Big 10.

Yeah...I don't follow them enough to know what's going on.  [sarcasm off]    History would suggest that even with team that appeared quite ordinary on the surface, they were able to challenge and win the Big Ten.

We may finish 5th or lower...that's possible.  There's not a whole lot of attention being given to them by anyone of consequence...so be it.  I wouldn't bet against it and I don't think his coaching peers will look past them. 

I'm just not sure why you would like to place all your eggs in the "glass half empty" basket.

thebiga:

 Do you really think Tubby and Crean are better coaches than Ryan?  Recruiters I can see, but not coaches.  Yes, the conference is changing and becoming more competitive, but it sounds like you're not giving Ryan the chance to adjust and overcome this.

What is a legit national champ contender?  UW is a school that made the FF as an 8 seed so I need you to define legit contender better.

Big Ten?  They will be a team to be reckoned with every year with Bo.  Challenge for the title every year?  No.  But even Izzo hasn't done that.

 NEVER SAID they were better coaches- I think Bo is as good a Coach as it gets FOR THAT STYLE OF PLAY.

Legit contender- is a team that has legit or "realistic" chance as viewed by most people (not homers) to go all the way.  The Badgers had a miracle season under DICK BENNETT in 99/2000 as a #8 seed and got to the final 4 before getting easily taken out by Michigan State (an example of a title contender). I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo has ever gotten past the sweet 16.

Last year they finished 6th in the Big 10. This year doesn't look great (not in any top 40 polls - yes not even top 40), They lost what would have been Bo's best recruit ever to MU because of the style of play. Bo is a GREAT GREAT COACH- He and his player remind me of a version of Hoosiers. I am OK with Bo personally, but I personally think things aren't gaining ground -I see a team that is losing ground. 

For those that feel Bo is a god and that UW is a Title contender and will be every yer going forward = GREAT! It's always nice to be a positive RAH! RAH! person. 

puddyellow:

EVER is such a long time. 

Considering Bo is already about 85 years old, EVER will be about 3 more years for him.

puddyellow:

Destinos2:

So you feel they can be a legit national champ contender EVER under Bo?

He has had probably two teams that fit that bill.  One as recently as three years ago.  It's a tough place to join, but he's been the only coach in UW history to reach that level since Bud Foster.  EVER is such a long time.  I wouldn't use it.

In his 8 or 9 years here how many times has he gotten to the sweet 16? I don't think ANY nation pub, media, analyst, etc has ever picked the Badgers to be in the final 4 in the preseason polls.

Destinos2:

or do you just think they can challenge every year for the Big 10?

They do challenge every year.  We've had two seasons just above .500 in the Big Ten.  The remaining 6 seasons have been pretty soundly in the "challenging" category.  Winning 3 times.

and weren't two of those years as co-winners? The Big 10 pretty much sucked for most of that time if your being fair. What I am saying is that the Badgers and Bo were good when the Big 10 was down. He hasn't gotten better recruits-if anything he really hit gold with Devin/Tucker who were not highly rated nationally. It's not where you been, it's where your going (unless you like to live in the past and not look to the now and the future). How have those Big Ten titles improved his recruiting? Is he anywhere near Mich State, Mich, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota?

Destinos2:

News flash for you would be -don't look now, but Big 10 getting a lot better.  If you do, I guess we just have to differ. My guess for next couple years would be no better then 5th in the Big 10.

Yeah...I don't follow them enough to know what's going on.  [sarcasm off]    History would suggest that even with team that appeared quite ordinary on the surface, they were able to challenge and win the Big Ten.

We may finish 5th or lower...that's possible.  There's not a whole lot of attention being given to them by anyone of consequence...so be it.  I wouldn't bet against it and I don't think his coaching peers will look past them. 

I'm just not sure why you would like to place all your eggs in the "glass half empty" basket.

Not all half empty- Did I not say that Bo is a top Coach over and over. Did I not say he deserves a lifetime pass- I would never start a fire Bo thread because even though I think they are swiftly  losing ground  in the Big 10 he is my favorite Coach in Wisconsin. Would I like to see him get better recruits and maybe adjust his style a little? SURE

Destinos2:

thebiga:

 Do you really think Tubby and Crean are better coaches than Ryan?  Recruiters I can see, but not coaches.  Yes, the conference is changing and becoming more competitive, but it sounds like you're not giving Ryan the chance to adjust and overcome this.

What is a legit national champ contender?  UW is a school that made the FF as an 8 seed so I need you to define legit contender better.

Big Ten?  They will be a team to be reckoned with every year with Bo.  Challenge for the title every year?  No.  But even Izzo hasn't done that.

 

 NEVER SAID they were better coaches- I think Bo is as good a Coach as it gets FOR THAT STYLE OF PLAY.

Legit contender- is a team that has legit or "realistic" chance as viewed by most people (not homers) to go all the way.  The Badgers had a miracle season under DICK BENNETT in 99/2000 as a #8 seed and got to the final 4 before getting easily taken out by Michigan State (an example of a title contender). I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo has ever gotten past the sweet 16.

Last year they finished 6th in the Big 10. This year doesn't look great (not in any top 40 polls - yes not even top 40), They lost what would have been Bo's best recruit ever to MU because of the style of play. Bo is a GREAT GREAT COACH- He and his player remind me of a version of Hoosiers. I am OK with Bo personally, but I personally think things aren't gaining ground -I see a team that is losing ground. 

For those that feel Bo is a god and that UW is a Title contender and will be every yer going forward = GREAT! It's always nice to be a positive RAH! RAH! person. 

I think they made it to the Elite 8 the year they had both Wilkinsin and Harris.  I don't remember the year, but they lost to UNC when UNC won it all and were number 1 all year.  The team that had Raymond Felton, Rashard McCants, Sean May.. etc.  The Badgers really stuck with them that game too.  I think if Wisconsin played anyone outstide of UNC that year in the Elite 8, they go to the Final Four.

cor232000:

Destinos2:

thebiga:

 Do you really think Tubby and Crean are better coaches than Ryan?  Recruiters I can see, but not coaches.  Yes, the conference is changing and becoming more competitive, but it sounds like you're not giving Ryan the chance to adjust and overcome this.

What is a legit national champ contender?  UW is a school that made the FF as an 8 seed so I need you to define legit contender better.

Big Ten?  They will be a team to be reckoned with every year with Bo.  Challenge for the title every year?  No.  But even Izzo hasn't done that.

 

 NEVER SAID they were better coaches- I think Bo is as good a Coach as it gets FOR THAT STYLE OF PLAY.

Legit contender- is a team that has legit or "realistic" chance as viewed by most people (not homers) to go all the way.  The Badgers had a miracle season under DICK BENNETT in 99/2000 as a #8 seed and got to the final 4 before getting easily taken out by Michigan State (an example of a title contender). I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo has ever gotten past the sweet 16.

Last year they finished 6th in the Big 10. This year doesn't look great (not in any top 40 polls - yes not even top 40), They lost what would have been Bo's best recruit ever to MU because of the style of play. Bo is a GREAT GREAT COACH- He and his player remind me of a version of Hoosiers. I am OK with Bo personally, but I personally think things aren't gaining ground -I see a team that is losing ground. 

For those that feel Bo is a god and that UW is a Title contender and will be every yer going forward = GREAT! It's always nice to be a positive RAH! RAH! person. 

 

I think they made it to the Elite 8 the year they had both Wilkinsin and Harris.  I don't remember the year, but they lost to UNC when UNC won it all and were number 1 all year.  The team that had Raymond Felton, Rashard McCants, Sean May.. etc.  The Badgers really stuck with them that game too.  I think if Wisconsin played anyone outstide of UNC that year in the Elite 8, they go to the Final Four.

Are we hanging our hat on one game from five years ago?  A game we ALMOST won?  That is typical Badger talk.

Destinos2:

Last year they finished 6th in the Big 10

We did not finish 6th.  We finished 4th.  10-8 and were tied with 3 other teams.  That is still 4th.  Bo Ryan has never finished below 4th as coach of the Badgers

Quote from UWBadgers.com

Coach Ryan has never had a team finish lower than fourth in the Big Ten, and yet several years the preseason "experts" pick UW to stumble.

cor232000:

Destinos2:

thebiga:

 Do you really think Tubby and Crean are better coaches than Ryan?  Recruiters I can see, but not coaches.  Yes, the conference is changing and becoming more competitive, but it sounds like you're not giving Ryan the chance to adjust and overcome this.

What is a legit national champ contender?  UW is a school that made the FF as an 8 seed so I need you to define legit contender better.

Big Ten?  They will be a team to be reckoned with every year with Bo.  Challenge for the title every year?  No.  But even Izzo hasn't done that.

 

 NEVER SAID they were better coaches- I think Bo is as good a Coach as it gets FOR THAT STYLE OF PLAY.

Legit contender- is a team that has legit or "realistic" chance as viewed by most people (not homers) to go all the way.  The Badgers had a miracle season under DICK BENNETT in 99/2000 as a #8 seed and got to the final 4 before getting easily taken out by Michigan State (an example of a title contender). I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo has ever gotten past the sweet 16.

Last year they finished 6th in the Big 10. This year doesn't look great (not in any top 40 polls - yes not even top 40), They lost what would have been Bo's best recruit ever to MU because of the style of play. Bo is a GREAT GREAT COACH- He and his player remind me of a version of Hoosiers. I am OK with Bo personally, but I personally think things aren't gaining ground -I see a team that is losing ground. 

For those that feel Bo is a god and that UW is a Title contender and will be every yer going forward = GREAT! It's always nice to be a positive RAH! RAH! person. 

 

I think they made it to the Elite 8 the year they had both Wilkinsin and Harris.  I don't remember the year, but they lost to UNC when UNC won it all and were number 1 all year.  The team that had Raymond Felton, Rashard McCants, Sean May.. etc.  The Badgers really stuck with them that game too.  I think if Wisconsin played anyone outstide of UNC that year in the Elite 8, they go to the Final Four.

We made the elite 8 the year after Harris.  We had Tucker and Wilkenson with Hanson and Chamblis, maybe Zach Morely.

If Harris hadn't left early we would have had a legit title run that year

Destinos2:

puddyellow:

Destinos2:

So you feel they can be a legit national champ contender EVER under Bo?

He has had probably two teams that fit that bill.  One as recently as three years ago.  It's a tough place to join, but he's been the only coach in UW history to reach that level since Bud Foster.  EVER is such a long time.  I wouldn't use it.

In his 8 or 9 years here how many times has he gotten to the sweet 16? I don't think ANY nation pub, media, analyst, etc has ever picked the Badgers to be in the final 4 in the preseason polls.

Destinos2:

or do you just think they can challenge every year for the Big 10?

They do challenge every year.  We've had two seasons just above .500 in the Big Ten.  The remaining 6 seasons have been pretty soundly in the "challenging" category.  Winning 3 times.

and weren't two of those years as co-winners? The Big 10 pretty much sucked for most of that time if your being fair. What I am saying is that the Badgers and Bo were good when the Big 10 was down. He hasn't gotten better recruits-if anything he really hit gold with Devin/Tucker who were not highly rated nationally. It's not where you been, it's where your going (unless you like to live in the past and not look to the now and the future). How have those Big Ten titles improved his recruiting? Is he anywhere near Mich State, Mich, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota?

Destinos2:

News flash for you would be -don't look now, but Big 10 getting a lot better.  If you do, I guess we just have to differ. My guess for next couple years would be no better then 5th in the Big 10.

Yeah...I don't follow them enough to know what's going on.  [sarcasm off]    History would suggest that even with team that appeared quite ordinary on the surface, they were able to challenge and win the Big Ten.

We may finish 5th or lower...that's possible.  There's not a whole lot of attention being given to them by anyone of consequence...so be it.  I wouldn't bet against it and I don't think his coaching peers will look past them. 

I'm just not sure why you would like to place all your eggs in the "glass half empty" basket.

 

Not all half empty- Did I not say that Bo is a top Coach over and over. Did I not say he deserves a lifetime pass- I would never start a fire Bo thread because even though I think they are swiftly  losing ground  in the Big 10 he is my favorite Coach in Wisconsin. Would I like to see him get better recruits and maybe adjust his style a little? SURE

Swiftly losing ground is not half-full.  Sorry.

You like Ryan but you'd like to see him adjust his style.  My opinion is that he need not change his style to suit you or any other fan.  His style has worked quite well.  Not too hard to see.

CollegeFootballGuru:

cor232000:

Destinos2:

thebiga:

 Do you really think Tubby and Crean are better coaches than Ryan?  Recruiters I can see, but not coaches.  Yes, the conference is changing and becoming more competitive, but it sounds like you're not giving Ryan the chance to adjust and overcome this.

What is a legit national champ contender?  UW is a school that made the FF as an 8 seed so I need you to define legit contender better.

Big Ten?  They will be a team to be reckoned with every year with Bo.  Challenge for the title every year?  No.  But even Izzo hasn't done that.

 

 NEVER SAID they were better coaches- I think Bo is as good a Coach as it gets FOR THAT STYLE OF PLAY.

Legit contender- is a team that has legit or "realistic" chance as viewed by most people (not homers) to go all the way.  The Badgers had a miracle season under DICK BENNETT in 99/2000 as a #8 seed and got to the final 4 before getting easily taken out by Michigan State (an example of a title contender). I could be wrong, but I don't think Bo has ever gotten past the sweet 16.

Last year they finished 6th in the Big 10. This year doesn't look great (not in any top 40 polls - yes not even top 40), They lost what would have been Bo's best recruit ever to MU because of the style of play. Bo is a GREAT GREAT COACH- He and his player remind me of a version of Hoosiers. I am OK with Bo personally, but I personally think things aren't gaining ground -I see a team that is losing ground. 

For those that feel Bo is a god and that UW is a Title contender and will be every yer going forward = GREAT! It's always nice to be a positive RAH! RAH! person. 

 

I think they made it to the Elite 8 the year they had both Wilkinsin and Harris.  I don't remember the year, but they lost to UNC when UNC won it all and were number 1 all year.  The team that had Raymond Felton, Rashard McCants, Sean May.. etc.  The Badgers really stuck with them that game too.  I think if Wisconsin played anyone outstide of UNC that year in the Elite 8, they go to the Final Four.

 

Are we hanging our hat on one game from five years ago?  A game we ALMOST won?  That is typical Badger talk.

Naw.  It was a good game, but I would hang our hat on 4 more tournament apprearances, a Big Ten title, a Big Ten Tournament title, first number one ranking, wins over #2 Pitt, #5 OSU, and #9 Texas (on the road), and a pair of 30 win seasons.

Ignoring those would be douchebaggery.  But look who I'm replying to....

Typical whiner talk.