Revisiting the Jared Allen Trade

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  • 11-03-2009 3:04 PM In reply to

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    bp:
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    bp:
    yeah, he sucks. sheesh. So does Randy Moss, Jay Cutler and every other FA that every other team acquires. Shut up, already. Jared Allen killed us. Vikings were smarter than hell to go out and get him - and he's paid off in spades.

    No one said Allen sucks. I don't recall anyone saying Moss sucked. I do recall some saying Cutler sucked.

    You must be new to this forum - or your memory is faulty. In part to justify their leaderships' lack of off-season moves - all FA and trade deals are stupid according to most posters here. And - go back just a few posts - someone just said that Jared Allen is worthless unless he's lining up against GB's o-line.

    I think what the dude said was if you take away the 7.5 sacks that Allen has had against the Pack, his sack numbers aren't that impressive this season.

    "…and it feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. At the same time somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer. And then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone and I'm crying and nobody can hear me because I'm terribly, terribly, terribly, alone." -Michael Gary Scott talking about a Packer loss
  • 11-03-2009 3:05 PM In reply to

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    Re: Revisiting the Jared Allen Trade

    And the O-line problem has been fixed. Remember? TT brought in Mark Tauscher. TT addressed it.
  • 11-03-2009 3:05 PM In reply to

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    The Vikes took a fairly big risk and it has paid off handsomely.  If memory serves, the guy had 2 DUIs (or other alcohol-related incidents) that put him within a mouse hair of at least a 4 game suspension.  Credit to him, he's apparently cleaned himself up and is earning every penny of that enormous contract the Vikes threw at him.

    At the time of that trade, however, this wasn't the sure thing, slam dunk it's being made out to be today.

    Count me among those who would like to see TT more active in the FA/Trade markets, but I'm not gonna kill him for this one. 

    OT:  Somebody brought up Michael Turner earlier.  Did you see some of the runs that guy churned out last night?  The guy runs with CONVICTION.  Very impressive.

  • 11-03-2009 3:06 PM In reply to

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    Re: Revisiting the Jared Allen Trade

    Six Pack Nads:

    bp:
    Six Pack Nads:

    bp:
    yeah, he sucks. sheesh. So does Randy Moss, Jay Cutler and every other FA that every other team acquires. Shut up, already. Jared Allen killed us. Vikings were smarter than hell to go out and get him - and he's paid off in spades.

    No one said Allen sucks. I don't recall anyone saying Moss sucked. I do recall some saying Cutler sucked.

    You must be new to this forum - or your memory is faulty. In part to justify their leaderships' lack of off-season moves - all FA and trade deals are stupid according to most posters here. And - go back just a few posts - someone just said that Jared Allen is worthless unless he's lining up against GB's o-line.

    I think what the dude said was if you take away the 7.5 sacks that Allen has had against the Pack, his sack numbers aren't that impressive this season.

    Yeah - as I said. He sucks. You really agree that Jared Allen is unimpressive as a DE?
  • 11-03-2009 3:09 PM In reply to

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    Base Knox:
    Count me among those who would like to see TT more active in the FA/Trade markets, but I'm not gonna kill him for this one.
    Where has it been stated that people were asking for TT to get Jared Allen? Thats not the issue. Allen is an example of the possible benefits of other teams using FA/trades - while GB has benefitted little due to TT's philosophy.
  • 11-03-2009 3:15 PM In reply to

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    bp:
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    bp:
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    bp:
    yeah, he sucks. sheesh. So does Randy Moss, Jay Cutler and every other FA that every other team acquires. Shut up, already. Jared Allen killed us. Vikings were smarter than hell to go out and get him - and he's paid off in spades.

    No one said Allen sucks. I don't recall anyone saying Moss sucked. I do recall some saying Cutler sucked.

    You must be new to this forum - or your memory is faulty. In part to justify their leaderships' lack of off-season moves - all FA and trade deals are stupid according to most posters here. And - go back just a few posts - someone just said that Jared Allen is worthless unless he's lining up against GB's o-line.

    I think what the dude said was if you take away the 7.5 sacks that Allen has had against the Pack, his sack numbers aren't that impressive this season.

    Yeah - as I said. He sucks. You really agree that Jared Allen is unimpressive as a DE?

    No, he's having an impressive career. I think he's top 5, if not better. (I'm no scout though).

    "…and it feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. At the same time somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer. And then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone and I'm crying and nobody can hear me because I'm terribly, terribly, terribly, alone." -Michael Gary Scott talking about a Packer loss
  • 11-03-2009 3:17 PM In reply to

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    Re: Revisiting the Jared Allen Trade

    Six Pack Nads:

    bp:
    Six Pack Nads:

    bp:
    Six Pack Nads:

    bp:
    yeah, he sucks. sheesh. So does Randy Moss, Jay Cutler and every other FA that every other team acquires. Shut up, already. Jared Allen killed us. Vikings were smarter than hell to go out and get him - and he's paid off in spades.

    No one said Allen sucks. I don't recall anyone saying Moss sucked. I do recall some saying Cutler sucked.

    You must be new to this forum - or your memory is faulty. In part to justify their leaderships' lack of off-season moves - all FA and trade deals are stupid according to most posters here. And - go back just a few posts - someone just said that Jared Allen is worthless unless he's lining up against GB's o-line.

    I think what the dude said was if you take away the 7.5 sacks that Allen has had against the Pack, his sack numbers aren't that impressive this season.

    Yeah - as I said. He sucks. You really agree that Jared Allen is unimpressive as a DE?

    No, he's having an impressive career. I think he's top 5, if not better. (I'm no scout though).

    So, in your opinion - Jared Allen is impressive. Just not in 14 of the 16 games each year. Thats what you're agreeing to? Or is it your habit to +1 posts you don't agree with?
  • 11-03-2009 3:24 PM In reply to

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    bp:
    Base Knox:
    Count me among those who would like to see TT more active in the FA/Trade markets, but I'm not gonna kill him for this one.
    Where has it been stated that people were asking for TT to get Jared Allen? Thats not the issue. Allen is an example of the possible benefits of other teams using FA/trades - while GB has benefitted little due to TT's philosophy.

    Perhaps not directly, but the tone of the thread seemed to imply that, bp.  Perhaps I read too much into it. 

  • 11-03-2009 3:26 PM In reply to

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    bp:
    So, in your opinion - Jared Allen is impressive. Just not in 14 of the 16 games each year. Thats what you're agreeing to?

     

    Look,

    I agreed with the guy that said his sack numbers are inflated from playing us this year. That's it. You don't agree?   

    "…and it feels like somebody took my heart and dropped it into a bucket of boiling tears. At the same time somebody else is hitting my soul in the crotch with a frozen sledgehammer. And then a third guy walks in and starts punching me in the grief bone and I'm crying and nobody can hear me because I'm terribly, terribly, terribly, alone." -Michael Gary Scott talking about a Packer loss
  • 11-03-2009 3:26 PM In reply to

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    I don't even understand the point of this thread.  Sometimes trades work out, sometimes they don't.  This isn't really up for debate.  If you have some other point then go ahead and make it. 
    That ain't Corey's game. Corey hacks on 2-0.

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  • 11-03-2009 3:30 PM In reply to

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    Stupid Ted Thompson, he didn't trade for Allen, didn't trade for Adrian Peterson, didn't draft Joe Thomas, AND he kicks babies.

    Smart Ted Thompson, didn't trade for Allen, didn't trade for Randy Moss, didn't trade for Michael Turner, didn't trade for Tony Gonzalez AND he kisses babies.

    Thank you for proving my point.

    Instead of holding things against him that make sense (e.g. shitty line), you come up with a bunch of ludicrous things that never happened for a variety of different reasons, not the least of which being that some of the asking proces were WAY too high (Gonzalez), some were being used as leverage (Moss), and some we have no idea about (Allen and Turner).

    So crap, if only he had traded for Brady, Ray Lewis, Antoine Winfield, Ed Reed, Terrell Suggs, Adrian Peterson, and every good O-Lineman in the league, we would have a great team!  Why couldn't he do that!?!?!

    "Skip Bayless' mother has a different opinion on what the biggest mistake in history was....." - Six Pack Nads

  • 11-03-2009 3:32 PM In reply to

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    bp:
    So, in your opinion - Jared Allen is impressive. Just not in 14 of the 16 games each year. Thats what you're agreeing to? Or is it your habit to +1 posts you don't agree with?

    Holy crap, get a grip.  He explained it like five times.

    "Skip Bayless' mother has a different opinion on what the biggest mistake in history was....." - Six Pack Nads

  • 11-03-2009 3:33 PM In reply to

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    dsilby:

    etorkelson:
    ike1024:

    Stupid Ted Thompson, he didn't trade for Allen, didn't trade for Adrian Peterson, didn't draft Joe Thomas, AND he kicks babies.

    Smart Ted Thompson, didn't trade for Allen, didn't trade for Randy Moss, didn't trade for Michael Turner, didn't trade for Tony Gonzalez AND he kisses babies.
     

    Oy Vey, here we go again.

    Moss is not the answer. If Favre doesn't play like a moron, the Pack is in the super bowl WITHOUT Moss in 07'. I LOVE how people act like Moss was the answer. Yet, the guy still doesn't have a ring. no matter where he plays, they haven't won a Super Bowl yet.

    Michael Turner. That would have been a gamble that would have paid off. This one can be argued. 

    Tony G. Come on now. We all know this was not TT's fault. The deal was done, the papers were on the way to KC. Then 10 mins before the deadline KC said. Oh, sorry. We now want a 3rd.  Then deadline was up.

    You TT haters are so f'ing dumb. And here's why. You harp on these old dumb topics that have been beaten to the ground and have very little merit. But there's a glaring weakness TT has failed on, on that's the O-line. But you hatters DON'T TALK ABOUT IT?? The one thing you'd have a valid point on, you ignore?

     

     

    AND IF AL HARRIS COULD HAVE COVERED PLAXICO BURRIS THERE NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN AN OVERTIME AND NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.

  • 11-03-2009 3:34 PM In reply to

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    bp:
    Where has it been stated that people were asking for TT to get Jared Allen?

    I'm pretty sure this does it:

    etorkelson:
    Smart Ted Thompson, didn't trade for Allen, didn't trade for Randy Moss, didn't trade for Michael Turner, didn't trade for Tony Gonzalez AND he kisses babies.

    "Skip Bayless' mother has a different opinion on what the biggest mistake in history was....." - Six Pack Nads

  • 11-03-2009 3:35 PM In reply to

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    Re: Revisiting the Jared Allen Trade

    Six Pack Nads:

    bp:
    So, in your opinion - Jared Allen is impressive. Just not in 14 of the 16 games each year. Thats what you're agreeing to?

     

    Look,

    I agreed with the guy that said his sack numbers are inflated from playing us this year. That's it. You don't agree?   

    No. I don't. I think Jared Allen is a beast, one of the best DE's in the NFL and who's to say he wouldnt have had that number of sacks against two other opponents? If you want to scrutinize NFL record-keeping with parameters like that, have at it. Youd be busy for a real long time.
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