Packer nation had been split into three main factions - (edit) 1 The Favre supporters  2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted 3. Packer fans that weren't either

Those that were haters were pretty much labeled Ted supporters (although in my case -while hoping and waiting on Ted- I would not call me a Ted brown noser by any stretch, but yes I was supporting him). 

While I still can no longer stand Favre- I am kind of seeing his side of the story a little more. I think it was also interesting reading the articles by Brandt (thanks Al Striker) .People I know that were higher on Ted then I was are questioning him a lot more now- to put it nicely. 

 

For you die-hard Ted fans answer me the following:

1. What excuse is there for this POS OLine?  I could see if he just took over the team this year or even within the last two (being extra generous), but he has had what five Drafts now? During that time you mean to tell me there was not one OL out there in free agency?

2. If your building just about entirely through the Draft-you can't totally whiff on Harrell (1st round-#16) and Brohm (2nd round). Mistakes will happen-we all get that, but when your entire philosophy of building a team is based on the Draft you have to hit more homeruns then he has.Does anyone here STILL think that Ted is a GREAT drafter? Because you better be great if that is your philosophy. So far his very high-pick is invisible.

3. Does anyone still think that its a good idea to pretty much completely ignore free agency as he did again this year?

If this team doesn't make the playoffs given the easy schedule they have- he MUST be fired. That is where I stand as a Favre hater and former Ted supporter. We need to get someone in here that has some Ron Wolf wheeler dealer in him- that will use all the available resources he has to win. I'm sick of this stubborn egocentric deer in the headlights conservative BS, and I think I am in the majority.  A good article in the JS that touches on how the Vikes are clearly a better team and it goes over the moves (OR LACK THERE OF) each team has made the past few years.

Destinos2:

Packer nation had been split into two main factions- 1 The Favre supporters  2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted

Packer nation has actually been split into three main factions:

1. Favre supporters (idiots and not Packer fans)

2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted (also idiots but Packer fans)

3. Actual Packer fans (cheer for the players that are on the team, don't jump ship, trust the management to make the right moves and if they don't they know they won't have their jobs much longer)

Destinos2:

Packer nation had been split into two main factions- 1 The Favre supporters  2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted

Says who? I'd say it's still nearly exclusively divided into Ted-apologists and Ted-skeptical. Why would I have to choose to be a Favre hater or Favre supporter? He doesnt play for my team.

bp:

Destinos2:

Packer nation had been split into two main factions- 1 The Favre supporters  2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted

Says who? I'd say it's still nearly exclusively divided into Ted-apologists and Ted-skeptical. Why would I have to choose to be a Favre hater or Favre supporter? He doesnt play for my team.

 

all frickin right 1. Anti-Favre 2. Pro-Favre MOST people were on one of these then you have the last two posters 3.  Don't care- just cheer for the team .

Thanks for getting caught in the detail and missing the bigger point.  Why don't you just comment of the font we're using and completely miss the point.

Destinos2:

bp:

Destinos2:

Packer nation had been split into two main factions- 1 The Favre supporters  2. The Favre haters/Pro-Ted

Says who? I'd say it's still nearly exclusively divided into Ted-apologists and Ted-skeptical. Why would I have to choose to be a Favre hater or Favre supporter? He doesnt play for my team.

 

all frickin right 1. Anti-Favre 2. Pro-Favre MOST people were on one of these then you have the last two posters 3.  Don't care- just cheer for the team .

Thanks for getting caught in the detail and missing the bigger point.  Why don't you just comment of the font we're using and completely miss the point.

You mean we could actually change the font?  Is that just the type or the size, or both?

Yes... Ted is losing support. For me Favre had nothing to do with it.  I was in his corner and an avid "wait and see" supporter.  I've waited and seen enough of his inability to actually build a team.  Same with coaching...too many stupid penalties and sacks for a professional team.

 Ted never had much support. People want a GM who acts like Mike Sherman and signs anyone that's had one decent year to a huge contract. Fans don't like to get into the numbers of the cap, they just want "Player X" signed. Mike Wahle was the best example, everyone (including a certain QB) wanted him kept. But the team had 1.25 million in cap dollars as of March 1st 2005, and Wahle was due an 11.5 million escalator June 1st (thank you Mr. Sherman). Where was the other 10 million coming from to pay him?

Because of Mike's mismanagement of the salary cap TT couldn't really delve into free agency in his first two years. Since then I would have liked to see more free agent moves, but also understand not going crazy in free agency and ending up like the Raiders, dumping veterans because you have no money to pay them one year, then the next year overpaying someone else (Javon Walker comes to mind).

 As for the draft, he's definitely been below average, especially picking linemen. I think he's done a good job at getting skill players but should probably let someone else evaluate the trench players.

aegisfc:

Because of Mike's mismanagement of the salary cap TT couldn't really delve into free agency in his first two years. 

 

I'm only going to isolate this sentence because quite frankly the rest is pure BS-this is what some Die Hard go down with the ship Ted Supporters like to say in defense of Ted's non-commitment to free agency. 

 Reply- Everyone agrees Sherman sucked as a GM (I didn't think he was a great Coach either)/. I think you have to be responsible with the cap, but the cap has not been and issue for two years. Ted isn't inactive in Free Agency becaus ehe is still dealing with Shreman's mess, he is doing it by design. If you want to look to the past, look at how Ron Wolf used every means to make the team better. Look at the modl franchise in the NFL- New England- They went out and got - Moss, Welker, Fred Taylor, and Adalius Thomas. They had a version of Kampma- a guy they probably weren't going to resign- instead of just losing him they TRADED him and got a first round pick which will be a high one. They utilize all their weapons- Draft/FA/Trades. Ted is an admitted BUILD JUST ABOUT ENTIRELY THROUGH THE DRAFT.

 

By the way NO one answered my questions? BECAUSE YOU CAN'T! 

stoneypebbles:

Yes... Ted is losing support. For me Favre had nothing to do with it.  I was in his corner and an avid "wait and see" supporter.  I've waited and seen enough of his inability to actually build a team.  Same with coaching...too many stupid penalties and sacks for a professional team.

 

 

From an outsiders view, this is spot on.  

Favre is far from the biggest issue concerning the team and the direction it's taken the last 2 years. 

PurplePasser#4:

stoneypebbles:

Yes... Ted is losing support. For me Favre had nothing to do with it.  I was in his corner and an avid "wait and see" supporter.  I've waited and seen enough of his inability to actually build a team.  Same with coaching...too many stupid penalties and sacks for a professional team.

 

 

From an outsiders view, this is spot on.  

Favre is far from the biggest issue concerning the team and the direction it's taken the last 2 years. 

ditto, my same sentiments and thoughts.  I could care less about the Favre fiasco....i'm not even sure if the packers win 8 games this season if that will be enough in my opinion to say things are heading in the right direction.

I'll always agree with Thompson on the farve issue. He did yhe right thing by not playing the mind games anymore. It's the other moves that have me thinking he may not be the man for the job. Not sure what catagory that is??

Destinos2:

They went out and got - Moss, Welker, Fred Taylor, and Adalius Thomas.

 

NE certainly made a coupe getting Moss and Welker, but these 2 guys were also labeled (Moss)head case/downside of career and (Welker)just a guy.  I'm still not convinced on Welker being what hes been anywhere but NE.   That said they were both brought in via trade and not free agency.  Fred Taylor was a fairly low money free agent signing and hes out indefinitely and has been for awhile.  Thomas was NE's big free agent splash and has been a huge disappointment, he wasn't even active 2 weeks ago and it wasn't injury related.  In general NE has always been a build through the draft, sign marginal free agents, and trade or don't resign your aging players. 

yountnstarr:

I'll always agree with Thompson on the farve issue. He did yhe right thing by not playing the mind games anymore. It's the other moves that have me thinking he may not be the man for the job. Not sure what catagory that is??

I don't know what the category is either but I am in the same one.

aegisfc:

 Ted never had much support. People want a GM who acts like Mike Sherman and signs anyone that's had one decent year to a huge contract. Fans don't like to get into the numbers of the cap, they just want "Player X" signed. Mike Wahle was the best example, everyone (including a certain QB) wanted him kept. But the team had 1.25 million in cap dollars as of March 1st 2005, and Wahle was due an 11.5 million escalator June 1st (thank you Mr. Sherman). Where was the other 10 million coming from to pay him?

Because of Mike's mismanagement of the salary cap TT couldn't really delve into free agency in his first two years. Since then I would have liked to see more free agent moves, but also understand not going crazy in free agency and ending up like the Raiders, dumping veterans because you have no money to pay them one year, then the next year overpaying someone else (Javon Walker comes to mind).

 As for the draft, he's definitely been below average, especially picking linemen. I think he's done a good job at getting skill players but should probably let someone else evaluate the trench players.

I could not have said it better. Thanks Chief.

yountnstarr:

I'll always agree with Thompson on the farve issue. He did yhe right thing by not playing the mind games anymore. It's the other moves that have me thinking he may not be the man for the job. Not sure what catagory that is??

 

That would be the you're an idiot category.