I commend all of you Packer posters who have shown Ted Thompson, Mike McCarthy, and Mark Murphy unwavering support under these extremely tough circumstances.  Your support for these men who lead the Packer organization has been absolutely amazing.  Never once have you doubted them..have you questioned them..or even thought to criticize them.  That is because you are TRUE PACKER FANS...and because of fans like you...that is what makes the GREEN BAY PACKERS the envy of the NFL.  But statements like that alone are nothing without examples of the Packers High Character, Unwavering Convictions, and how it had to cross the Rubicon.

  By now we are all sick of the Brett Favre talk.  That train left the station in 2008 as Mike McCarthy pointed out and the Packers were moving forward..not back....as shown in their 6-10 2008 season and 4-3 start(with 2 viking losses attached) in 2009.  The Crossing of the Rubicon was not just lip service...the Packers meant it.  When they make a decision...they stick to it.  Just like when they decided to let Mark Tauscher go in the offseason because they had a younger, stronger and more dependable offensive line in mind.  No matter what they were moving forward and Mark Tauscher would not return...no matter how many times those that questioned the team's decisions(I call them non-packer fans) wanted Tauscher's return. 

   Also in 2007 Ahman Green was not wanted back and signed with the Texans.  Ted Thompson wished him well but said it was time for a new direction....he had Crossed the Rubicon with Ahman.  No matter how much Ahman(sitting at his home in Green Bay) wishes he was still playing with the Packers....Ted's decision is final. 

  Brett Favre has shown his true colors as a Traitor( if he only would have just stayed retired...Packer fans would LOVE HIM)...but he has since been exposed as a DIVA, SELFISH, and a BAD TEAM MATE.  It's truly refreshing to know Aaron Rodgers has never said anything arrogant or cocky to Packer Fans...Aaron has always been total clASS.  But High Character is not something Aaron carries alone on the Packer Team we all love.  Johny Jolly(who I'm sure will never serve a day in jail for that total mix up with amphetamines in his possession) not only plays with on the field but off the field is High Character.  The way that Charles Woodson and Cullen Jenkins have openly questioned the coaching decisions of the Packers DC...has nothing to do with being selfish or bad team mates...these guys just want to continue to win...as they have been since 2008. Speaking of CLASS..the way all the fans at Lambeau booed Favre Sunday...that was total CLASS.  Along with the funeral, the naming of the street for Rodgers(well deserved), and having it called flip flop day by the mayor...all CLASS MOVES.

  But what is truly impressive by the Packers Organization since 2008 is the Unwavering Convictions of how they make decisions on and off the field towards continuing to win.  Look at McCarthy...has he ever decided to just change a whole defensive philosophy?  That would show weakness...that would show desperation...that would show/expose someone that really had no idea in the first place what he wanted done on defense.  McCarthy would never WAFFLE on a decision. 

  Look at the Offensive Line...that hasn't been a problem since McCarthy installed the zone blocking system...then sorta scaled it back...then said it was always the same...WHATEVER...HE DIDN'T WAFFLE OK!!  That problem has been fixed.  So what if Aaron Rodgers has been sacked a league high 30 something times...those things just happen.  It doesn't matter that in 2007 with the waffler at qb..the Packers gave up 15 sacks then with Aaron in 2008 they gave up 34.  There is no explanation for that other than they OL didn't try as hard. There is no reason to place any blame on Aaron...just look at his qb rating.  He is the top qb in the league according to that rating. (I applaud the rating system for keeping out...big plays, taking bad sacks, and game winning drives).

  I just thought it was time to write a post that gives these men...Thompson, Murphy, and McCarthy the credit they deserve since the national media has been so hard on them since 2008.  Everyone can finally be in agreement...Favre is washed up, Aaron is a winner, the Packers are going in the right direction, McCarthy is a great coach and strategist, Thompson is going about it the right way...through the draft, and that Murphy was right...they have Crossed the Rubicon.  I hope you TRUE PACKER FANS are sure happy.  I know I am.

....for a second there, I thought I was reading 'The Onion'

And another Minnesota Favre fan materializes.  WOW!!!  Never heard this before, all new and so dramatic that nobdy can refute it. 

Dane_Setner:

No matter what they were moving forward and Mark Tauscher would not return...no matter how many times those that questioned the team's decisions(I call them non-packer fans) wanted Tauscher's return. 

A late season knee injury and he would not be able to even do anything until after TC.  That was the prognosis.  GB isn't the only team to let Tauscher sit, a lot of teams didn't make the call either.  When TT did call, Tauscher's knee had more time to recuperate, not as much as TT/GB would like but they needed him.  It was morinic to not sign him after the injury and now it is moronic to bring him back.  Thanks for the lose/lose scenario you invernted.

Dane_Setner:

Also in 2007 Ahman Green was not wanted back and signed with the   Texans.

 Green wanted big money and wasn't worth it.  However, the Texans (and IMO the advice of MS) paid for Green, who went on IR before midway through the season.  In the meantime Grant has rushed this season for 525 yards and that is 29 yards less than Greens total for two years with Houston.  The Texans let him go and then TT has a RB problem and feels he needs a good back-up for Grant & a good third down back.  So he gets Green and brings him back.  Again, he is moronic for letting him go and moronic for bringing him back. 

Dane_Setner:

Speaking of CLASS..the way all the fans at Lambeau booed Favre Sunday...that was total CLASS.

Classless, as GB gave Tarkenton, McMahon, and all other QBs standing ovations comming to GB.  Evetbody say's lets remember what Favre did for GB, he won the SB in 96, but lets forget he lost the SB in 97, threw 6 ints against Rams in play-offs and who can forget the ints to Eagles and Giants.  You do not cheer for the opposing QB, comming into GB.  They had one of two choices cheer or boo, Favre is a Viking, only a moron cheers for a Viking in Lambeau.

Dane_Setner:

The way that Charles Woodson and Cullen Jenkins have openly questioned the coaching decisions of the Packers DC

Your absolutely right, and to the press also.  I guess you have to cutthem some slack, I understand that Greta was busy this week and couldn't get them on the show.  Such dishonorable players, you would think that Woodson would want to dress and shower away from the team.  Maybe Jenkins throwing the HC/DC under the bus, because you told him you would understand if they didn't want to start him.  Brett would never have played if he HC thought he shouldn't.  I can hear it now: 

Magini:  Brett how's the arm?

Brett:  Itis a sore and hurt when I throw.

Mangini:  Think you can play Sunday?

Brett:  No way, I am willing to ride the bench and help Clemens all I can.

Mangini:  HELL NO, YOUR GING TO PLAY UNTILTHAT ARM FALLS OFF.  NO MORE CRYING, I DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN'T THROW, YOU WILLPLAY AND YOU WILL DO WHAT I TELL YOU.

Brett:  OK, Your the coach.

Never heard a word that he said he couldn't play, just that he was all-right if they benched him.  Such a great teamate, even told another player to honor his contract...wait....didn't Brett have 2 years on his when he retired?   

Dane_Setner:

Look at McCarthy...has he ever decided to just change a whole defensive philosophy?  That would show weakness...that would show desperation...that would show/expose someone that really had no idea in the first place what he wanted done on defense.  McCarthy would never WAFFLE on a decision

Lets see, the DC was the same guy who worked for Bates.  The guy who turned the Packer defense around and made it look so good in 2005.  In 2006 it was resposnible for GB winninig its last 4 games of the season.  That same defense that helped GB go 13-3 in 2007.  but, the second half of 2007 and into the entire 2008 season it showed a lot of flaws and soemthing needed to be done.  So MM went out and got a DC who would change the style of defense being played.  Now the defense is rated #3 in the NFL.  Yes, lets get after the HC for recognizing a problem and trying to fix it.  If only he would have kept Sanders, then GB could play defense like the 0-6 Bucaneers, wait they did last year.

Dane_Setner:

It doesn't matter that in 2007 with the waffler at qb..the Packers gave up 15 sacks then with Aaron in 2008 they gave up 34. 

I now understand the equation of sack vs success.  Did you know that the season Favre was sacked 40 times (highest sack count of his career) GB won the SB?  I'll give you some props for the OL, but MM has to go with what the GM gives him and on this, I like many others feel TT has not done a good job.

Dane_Setner:

There is no reason to place any blame on Aaron...just look at his qb rating.  He is the top qb in the league according to that rating. (I applaud the rating system for keeping out...big plays, taking bad sacks, and game winning drives).

What an intersting observation.  So GB would be better off if Rodgers had the same passer rating as Jamarcus Russell, Mathew Stafford, or maybe even Cutler.  Has he held onto the ball too long?  Yes.  Did Brett throw too many ints in his first years as a starter? Yes.   There is only one solution, turn in your GB Packer Fan Pass and get your Minnesota Favre Fan Pass.  

Dane_Setner:

Favre is washed up, Aaron is a winner, the Packers are going in the right direction,

Where was this little article when Brett was in NY.  The Packers are 4-3, which means they have a winning record.  They are going in the right direction, and IMO are still headed to the play-offs.  So, why don't you put on your green & white #4 jersey......oops....that was when you were a NY Favre fan, I meant to say your your purple #4 jersey and root the Favres to the SB.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. 

You hate TT & MM that's fine, you love TT & MM that's fine also.  If your a Packer fan you root for the team, you yell at Rodgers to throw it away, you yell at Barnett to make the tackle and for Collins to get in the right spot.  You *** about TT not getting Allen or Moss and the play calling of MM.  But If your only conclusion is that you can't cheer for GB while MM & TT are there or while Favre is still playing, then stay away.  Brett will retire, some day TT & MM will be gone, the only difference is that on both occasions Packer fans will still be here.  There are many of us and we range from the days of Rozanni, Blackbourn & McClean - to Lombardi; from Bengston, Devine, Starr, Gregg, and Infante - to Holmgren.  Now we have lived through Rhodes & Sherman - GB is 31-24 with MM, lets hope it continues to get better.

As saaid before:

When it come to the Packers your either for them or against them, if against, then get the hell out and don't come back.

Creepy:

And another Minnesota Favre fan materializes.  WOW!!!  Never heard this before, all new and so dramatic that nobdy can refute it. 

Dane_Setner:

No matter what they were moving forward and Mark Tauscher would not return...no matter how many times those that questioned the team's decisions(I call them non-packer fans) wanted Tauscher's return. 

 

A late season knee injury and he would not be able to even do anything until after TC.  That was the prognosis.  GB isn't the only team to let Tauscher sit, a lot of teams didn't make the call either.  When TT did call, Tauscher's knee had more time to recuperate, not as much as TT/GB would like but they needed him.  It was morinic to not sign him after the injury and now it is moronic to bring him back.  Thanks for the lose/lose scenario you invernted.

Dane_Setner:

Also in 2007 Ahman Green was not wanted back and signed with the   Texans.

 Green wanted big money and wasn't worth it.  However, the Texans (and IMO the advice of MS) paid for Green, who went on IR before midway through the season.  In the meantime Grant has rushed this season for 525 yards and that is 29 yards less than Greens total for two years with Houston.  The Texans let him go and then TT has a RB problem and feels he needs a good back-up for Grant & a good third down back.  So he gets Green and brings him back.  Again, he is moronic for letting him go and moronic for bringing him back. 

Dane_Setner:

Speaking of CLASS..the way all the fans at Lambeau booed Favre Sunday...that was total CLASS.

Classless, as GB gave Tarkenton, McMahon, and all other QBs standing ovations comming to GB.  Evetbody say's lets remember what Favre did for GB, he won the SB in 96, but lets forget he lost the SB in 97, threw 6 ints against Rams in play-offs and who can forget the ints to Eagles and Giants.  You do not cheer for the opposing QB, comming into GB.  They had one of two choices cheer or boo, Favre is a Viking, only a moron cheers for a Viking in Lambeau.

Dane_Setner:

The way that Charles Woodson and Cullen Jenkins have openly questioned the coaching decisions of the Packers DC

Your absolutely right, and to the press also.  I guess you have to cutthem some slack, I understand that Greta was busy this week and couldn't get them on the show.  Such dishonorable players, you would think that Woodson would want to dress and shower away from the team.  Maybe Jenkins throwing the HC/DC under the bus, because you told him you would understand if they didn't want to start him.  Brett would never have played if he HC thought he shouldn't.  I can hear it now: 

Magini:  Brett how's the arm?

Brett:  Itis a sore and hurt when I throw.

Mangini:  Think you can play Sunday?

Brett:  No way, I am willing to ride the bench and help Clemens all I can.

Mangini:  HELL NO, YOUR GING TO PLAY UNTILTHAT ARM FALLS OFF.  NO MORE CRYING, I DON'T CARE IF YOU CAN'T THROW, YOU WILLPLAY AND YOU WILL DO WHAT I TELL YOU.

Brett:  OK, Your the coach.

Never heard a word that he said he couldn't play, just that he was all-right if they benched him.  Such a great teamate, even told another player to honor his contract...wait....didn't Brett have 2 years on his when he retired?   

Dane_Setner:

Look at McCarthy...has he ever decided to just change a whole defensive philosophy?  That would show weakness...that would show desperation...that would show/expose someone that really had no idea in the first place what he wanted done on defense.  McCarthy would never WAFFLE on a decision

Lets see, the DC was the same guy who worked for Bates.  The guy who turned the Packer defense around and made it look so good in 2005.  In 2006 it was resposnible for GB winninig its last 4 games of the season.  That same defense that helped GB go 13-3 in 2007.  but, the second half of 2007 and into the entire 2008 season it showed a lot of flaws and soemthing needed to be done.  So MM went out and got a DC who would change the style of defense being played.  Now the defense is rated #3 in the NFL.  Yes, lets get after the HC for recognizing a problem and trying to fix it.  If only he would have kept Sanders, then GB could play defense like the 0-6 Bucaneers, wait they did last year.

Dane_Setner:

It doesn't matter that in 2007 with the waffler at qb..the Packers gave up 15 sacks then with Aaron in 2008 they gave up 34. 

I now understand the equation of sack vs success.  Did you know that the season Favre was sacked 40 times (highest sack count of his career) GB won the SB?  I'll give you some props for the OL, but MM has to go with what the GM gives him and on this, I like many others feel TT has not done a good job.

Dane_Setner:

There is no reason to place any blame on Aaron...just look at his qb rating.  He is the top qb in the league according to that rating. (I applaud the rating system for keeping out...big plays, taking bad sacks, and game winning drives).

What an intersting observation.  So GB would be better off if Rodgers had the same passer rating as Jamarcus Russell, Mathew Stafford, or maybe even Cutler.  Has he held onto the ball too long?  Yes.  Did Brett throw too many ints in his first years as a starter? Yes.   There is only one solution, turn in your GB Packer Fan Pass and get your Minnesota Favre Fan Pass.  

Dane_Setner:

Favre is washed up, Aaron is a winner, the Packers are going in the right direction,

    

Where was this little article when Brett was in NY.  The Packers are 4-3, which means they have a winning record.  They are going in the right direction, and IMO are still headed to the play-offs.  So, why don't you put on your green & white #4 jersey......oops....that was when you were a NY Favre fan, I meant to say your your purple #4 jersey and root the Favres to the SB.  Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. 

You hate TT & MM that's fine, you love TT & MM that's fine also.  If your a Packer fan you root for the team, you yell at Rodgers to throw it away, you yell at Barnett to make the tackle and for Collins to get in the right spot.  You *** about TT not getting Allen or Moss and the play calling of MM.  But If your only conclusion is that you can't cheer for GB while MM & TT are there or while Favre is still playing, then stay away.  Brett will retire, some day TT & MM will be gone, the only difference is that on both occasions Packer fans will still be here.  There are many of us and we range from the days of Rozanni, Blackbourn & McClean - to Lombardi; from Bengston, Devine, Starr, Gregg, and Infante - to Holmgren.  Now we have lived through Rhodes & Sherman - GB is 31-24 with MM, lets hope it continues to get better.

As saaid before:

When it come to the Packers your either for them or against them, if against, then get the hell out and don't come back.

Dane my friend are you truly a Packer Fan? Much of what you are saying makes you seem like your enjoying what gives most of pain. What has happened in packer country over the past 18 months is terrible. You really might want to consider some of the positive things the Packers have going for them.  Can you do that?

   I WAS a huge Packer fan.  I'm sure many of the posters can remember my posts from years back.  Ted Thompson/McCarthy/Murphy have killed any love I have for the Packers.  What is actually funny is reading the posters on here (like Gravedigger for example) who go on and on about being True Packer fans.  He is just a moron that follows whatever his beloved Packers do..no matter who is in charge.  Being a great fan...does not mean you shouldn't have opinions...that you don't have a right to disagree with the direction the team is heading. 

   Like everyone else I was willing to back Ted Thompson when he got the job.  I wasn't high on the hiring of McCarthy and actually I preferred Sean Payton at the time...but again I was going to back McCarthy.  Murphy I had absolutely no opinion on whatsoever....he seemed like a qualified candidate.  BUT all of that soon changed for me.

  I was tiring of Thompson's.....I do it through the draft approach.  Doesn't every team draft automatically?  How about your job is to supply the team with talent..any way it can?  Tell me what's wrong with Minnesota's approach?  Then look at the FA's Green Bay have signed.  Woodson and Picket were great pickups...but that's it.  Everyone else has been just guys...most came and went.  And that wouldn't be so bad if Ted's draft were all A's...but we know they haven't been.

  Everyone looks at the Favre situation from the team's point of view(actually Thompson's)...what about Favre's point of view?  He knew he could still play at a high level...and knew a few pieces here and there could make a huge difference.  I love Jennings...I love Driver...but also imagine what Moss could have done.  That wasn't a dream scenario....it was very possible....and Thompson sat on his hands....twice.  We talk about how the OL is performing now..well look what Favre had to work with in 2007.  He had a constant rotation at the 2 guard positions and C.  It's one thing for Thompson to let Rivera and Wahle go because they cost too much...but what about a capable replacement?  What about a veteran guard or 2 since Favre was the QB.  NO..he gave Favre rookie guards to work with.  You wonder why Thompson was calling Favre in the offseason...visiting him to come back at the end of the 2006 season...because he didn't want Rodgers playing behind that line...and with the young recievers he supplied Favre.  But what happened that year....no one saw coming...especially Thompson....the packers went 13-3.  Favre not only played great...he took only 15 sacks behind that line.   After that season...Thompson overestimated not only the OL but the whole team...and he didn't need Favre any more.  That is why they pressured Favre, that is why they gave him the cold shoulder. 

  I was living in Chicago when the Bulls were broken up by Krause and Reindsdorf and pretty much the same thing went down.  There was nothing said to the public such as "we don't want Jackson, Pippen or Jordan to return".  It was done behind the scenes....in how they dealt with their contract offers and by releasing other players on the team who were valuable bench players.  The writing was on the wall for everyone to see....Krause wanted to do it his way.  

  It's actually what has happened to Favre.  So when you or anyone says "aren't you a Packer Fan?"  Compared to those bozo's TT and M&M(who would have taken any NFL position if offered) Favre was a true Packer.  He wanted to be here ...he wanted to finish his career as a Packer...but Thompson and his iron fist approach changed that.  Just like Whitlock pointed out(and yes I know Whitlock is a complete hypocrite) it's a win now league and Thompson instead chose to look to the future.  Favre was only being used as a bridge to Rodgers...when Thompson felt Rodgers was ready and team was ready to support him.

  As for McCarthy...I lost all respect for him when he jumped on board the bash Favre team.  He got full of himself...thinking the 13-3 season was because of him....because of his coaching.  And that's great Mike..but what has happened since?  And Murphy...another outsider who joined the Packer family...and suddenly he is throwing out phrases like...the Packers have crossed the rubicon.  No Murphy...the Packers crossed over into something they can never get back.  They lost respect from MANY former Packer fans.  The Packers have lost much of their luster around the country...they are not looked upon the same.  And trust me I know the True Packer Fans on this forum don't care and actually wouldn't agree.....but it's true.  

  I grew up in the Bart Star coaching era...so I can take losses.  I was a fan through the Mossy Cade/James Lofton incidents...so I can take embarrassment.  And I didn't waver through the Bratz/Infante regimes...even though they could be beyond frustrating.  But Wolf/Holmgren changed all that...they changed the culture of the Packers.  Instead of just looking forward to how many catches Sharpe would have in a game(usually a loss)...I was watching real progress.  We had a GM that found talent(through the draft, through FA, and through trades)...and a coach that had a real plan and was implementing it step by step...and even when the team didn't have the talent...he showed his ability with game day adjustments.  But Favre was the catalyst.  He was the ONE. And the rest is history.

  This regime is nothing like that one.  No resemblence whatsoever.  And now I am embarrassed for the organization...and the sad part is...for most of the country(and some Packer fans who were on the fence)..it took Favre beating the Packers twice to show that.  But I knew it from the day....the train left the station.  

  It's not going to get better folks..it's going to get worse.  The small cracks that were there last year....are getting bigger and bigger.  Thompson's master plan has been a complete failure.  Look at the OL..look at the RB's...aging DB's...and miscast LB's and DE's.  How can anyone suggest this is an up and coming team.  

  Yes...Thompson and McCarthy and Murphy...ruined the joy of cheering for the Packers for me.  But it's been replaced by watching Favre do his thing in Minnesota.  Plus..I will still be cheering for Favre in Minnesota when McCarthy and Thompson will have been replaced in Green Bay.....count on that.

 Not since Mark Antony's funeral oration for Julius Caesar have I read such well written irony.  Well done.

Dane_Setner:

Plus..I will still be cheering for Favre in Minnesota when McCarthy and Thompson will have been replaced in Green Bay.....count on that.

 That's all you needed to say and that completely tells us what type of "fan" you are.  Atleast you are upfront with your biased and jaded opinion!

 Also let's put some facts out there.  There has been stretches in Favre's career...when he had his center(flanagan) play left tackle for 5 games....when he had the complete guard and center carousel in 2007...and he never missed a beat.

  This season I have read about the GREAT minnesota line. Let's see Mckinnie is great(but I wouldn't say he is a better pass blocker than Clifton...better run blocker for sure.  Hutchinson is Great...but he is definitely slowling down from his best year.  At Center...a rookie.  At right guard...someone no one even knows...and at RT...a rookie.  

  As Bedard showed in his graph a few weeks ago(comparing when Favre gets rid of the ball compared to Rogers)...Favre knows where he is going with the ball faster than Rodgers does and gets rid of it.  That is the difference between the 2 and was pointed out in that graph.

Dane_Setner:

I WAS a huge Packer fan.

I think Motley Crue said it best.  Don't go away mad....Just go away.

Dane_Setner:

But it's been replaced by watching Favre do his thing in Minnesota.

So remind us again WHY you CLAIM to be a Packers fan?

You are an idiot of the largest degree.  IF you are so upset with MM/TT/MM then WHY are you upset?  All of the lack luster play SHOULD elate you.  It should put a BOUNCE in your step.  By all accounts if it continues they will be replaced with someone else.  This all should make you pleased.  After all you have Brett Favre to cheer on in a Vikings Uniform, why should you even BOTHER being a Packers fan.

You have eloquently provided all the explanation NEEDED as to WHY you CANNOT be a Favre Fan in a Viking Uniform, and a Packer Fan at the same time.

Dane_Setner:

This regime is nothing like that one.  No resemblence whatsoever.  And now I am embarrassed for the organization...and the sad part is...for most of the country(and some Packer fans who were on the fence)..it took Favre beating the Packers twice to show that.  But I knew it from the day....the train left the station.  

Then WHY would you even speak here?  If it is SO embarrassing?  God I love ass wipes who need to have their lives VALIDATED by a sports team.  Its so funny to read some of these posts where people ACTUALLY get Physically Ill from a loss, or a personnel change.

OMFG GET A FREAKING LIFE YOU LOSER! 

 And why are you in here?  Do you realize you are writing in a forum with a bunch of losers?  If you don't like hearing another opinion than yours...too bad.

 It's actually great to come back to this forum and say to all the True Fans....I told you so.  You all jumped on the TT band wagon and spit on Favre.....it's awesome to watch all of cry now...and come up with every reason you can why the Packers are going backwards.  Lovely.

Dane_Setner:

 It's actually great to come back to this forum and say to all the True Fans....I told you so. 

So pray tell what do you get?  A cookie?  A beer?  More money?  Better looks?  You don't get anything other than the notion that you think by rooting for Favre that you are this NOBLE fan.  Untouched, Holy, and Noble.

Too FREAKING funny that you take it so seriously that you ACTUALLY root for the OTHER team.

Its just like the ass wipes who will only root for a winner.

Don't go away mad, just go away.

 Who said it was noble? Who said I wanted anything other than satisfaction of watching you guys that have backed Thompson/McCarthy over Favre....have to deal with this mess. 

  I've watched the pro TT supporters be condescending to Favre supporters for months....so yes it's absolutely great to watch you idiots go down with the TT ship.  You guys took your stance and have been bagging on Favre since he got traded.  So I'm sorry if you can't take egg on your face now...but I will make sure to remind you.  Like I said....it's awesome!

Dane_Setner:

I've watched the pro TT supporters be condescending to Favre supporters for months....so yes it's absolutely great to watch you idiots go down with the TT ship.  You guys took your stance and have been bagging on Favre since he got traded

You are a complete moron.  You think because fans stick with their team that they are TT/MM fans.  Look at the posts, and you will see guys who would like to see both or one gone, but are still cheering for the team to win on Sunday.  They have made their opinions and with most I haven't agreed and with some I have.  They love Favre as much as you and are mad he is gone but still want GB to win.  That is a Packer fan.  

  You are not a Packer fan.  You love Favre only, you are a Favre fan.  Don't worry, there are others like you on this forum.  They are happy when Gbloses and cheered for favre in both games and hoped Gb would lose.  Yet, there are Farve fans that wanted him to play well, but lose.  They still love Favre but not overthe Packers.  They are team fans, and to want Brett to do well elsehwere is ok.  Well in NY Ok, but as a Viking I would rather he have lost two games to GB. 

You will never get it because you can't see it.  TT/MM haters and lovers have onbe thing in common.  They love the Packers, they may not agree and are rude, nce, andhateful to each other about their opinions over the last two years.  However, on Sunday they put on Green and Gold glasses and cheer for the Packers.  Before the game and maybe even after they will duke it out behind the bar over their disagreements, but not durinbg the game. 

So quit calling yourself a Packer fan.  You never have and never will be one.  While I and the rest of the Packer Nation cheer for them on Sunday.  GBMickey, Truth, Cheezer, & Gravedigger are Packer fans.  They may not care for each other, but they love the Packers.   Ther is no right or wrong, just the Packers.

 I Salute you Sir...thank your for reading me my rights.  I've already stated...WAS a packer fan.  Now am I allowed to continue my pouring of the salt?