I'm really curious..  Has the ellis rankings come out yet?

Well, Lopez is a type B so when they offer him arby and he declines they'll get a sandwich pick for him.

Cameron is a type B, but to get the comp pick the Brewers will have to offer him arby and he would be a fool not to snap that up, so they'll probably just have to wait and see if he signs with someone before the deadline to offer arby (in which case they'll get the comp pick for him) or let him walk for nothing. Hopefully someone will snap him up quick.

Kendall is a type B and the same thing with Cameron applies, though they may actually be able to offer him arby with less risk of his accepting it.

Looper is a type B, but if the Brewers decline the option I'm not sure if they can offer him arby to get the picks.

Dave Weathers was a type B, but they declined the option and I'm pretty sure they can't get a comp pick now for him.

 Oh, and take a gander at how screwed up this system is. These are the type A and type B NL reliever rankings. Anyone find this kinda funny?

 So essentially if you're a closer, your an A.

Lidge is an A with a 7+ ERA with the most blown saves. Ryan Franklin was one of the best closers of the season and is 1 spot above Lidge.

How is Marmol number 3? Hoffman isn't even top 5.

Kevin Gregg is an A, but Todd Coffey is a B (not to mention CV is above Coffey).

And that's at a quick glance.

BenderTheOffender:

 So essentially if you're a closer, your an A.

Lidge is an A with a 7+ ERA with the most blown saves. Ryan Franklin was one of the best closers of the season and is 1 spot above Lidge.

How is Marmol number 3? Hoffman isn't even top 5.

Kevin Gregg is an A, but Todd Coffey is a B (not to mention CV is above Coffey).

And that's at a quick glance.

You think the Brewers could work out some sort of deal with Cameron where they offer him arby and he agrees to decline it so that the Brewers can get their comp pick? Is that kosher? I mean it's no skin off his nose, because being a type B won't cost a team a pick to sign so it means nothing.

Hmmmmmmmm.......

Einsteinhood:

Looper is a type B, but if the Brewers decline the option I'm not sure if they can offer him arby to get the picks.

No, I don't believe they can offer arby after declining the option.

Where did you see that Lopez was a B.  I could have sworn that he was an A in every report that I saw.

The_Igniter:

Where did you see that Lopez was a B.  I could have sworn that he was an A in every report that I saw.

The_Igniter:

Where did you see that Lopez was a B.  I could have sworn that he was an A in every report that I saw.

Cameron is a Type B?????

Everyone here was telling me all summer long how great this guy was.

 Guess not.

brewguru:

Cameron is a Type B?????

 

Everyone here was telling me all summer long how great this guy was.

 Guess not.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic. If it's not, then as stated above, the type A/B system is horrible, and Coffey is a B, while Brad Lidge is an A, although Lidge was terrible this season, and Coffey was very good.

BenderTheOffender:

brewguru:

Cameron is a Type B?????

 

Everyone here was telling me all summer long how great this guy was.

 Guess not.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic. If it's not, then as stated above, the type A/B system is horrible, and Coffey is a B, while Brad Lidge is an A, although Lidge was terrible this season, and Coffey was very good.

This is actually a perfect summation of why it's so screwed up too. It grades all OF together, along with first basemen and DH's. Then there is a category lumping the other three IF positions together, a seperate category for C and then pitchers are split by starter and reliever. Now how does it make sense to grade CF against RF and LF, not to mention 1B and DH's?

Guru, if you're going to try and claim this system is actually some sort of rational means for expressing player value you're going to need to explain how Carlos Marmol was the third most effective reliever in the NL over the last two seasons, ahead of everyone but Broxton and Valverde among many other strage results of this system.

 You know what's awesome?

The Braves could end up with 4 picks in the top 70 or so with maybe a couple first rounders for losing the twin titans of Rafeal Soriano and Mike Gonzalez.

I'm honestly not picking on you Guru, you just got me started on how crappy the system is and the examples kinda find themselves.

Oh, and LaTroy Hawkins, Kevin Gregg and Mike Adams are all type A guys this year as well.

I'm almost scared to look at the starters.

Einsteinhood:

 You know what's awesome?

The Braves could end up with 4 picks in the top 70 or so with maybe a couple first rounders for losing the twin titans of Rafeal Soriano and Mike Gonzalez.

I'm honestly not picking on you Guru, you just got me started on how crappy the system is and the examples kinda find themselves.

Oh, and LaTroy Hawkins, Kevin Gregg and Mike Adams are all type A guys this year as well.

I'm almost scared to look at the starters.

Oh, I know the system is screwed up.

But I still think with everyone saying how great Cameron was, there was no way he'd be a Type B.

BenderTheOffender:

brewguru:

Cameron is a Type B?????

 

Everyone here was telling me all summer long how great this guy was.

 Guess not.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic. If it's not, then as stated above, the type A/B system is horrible, and Coffey is a B, while Brad Lidge is an A, although Lidge was terrible this season, and Coffey was very good.

And how did Coffey do in '08 compared to Lidge?