brewguru:

Einsteinhood:

 You know what's awesome?

The Braves could end up with 4 picks in the top 70 or so with maybe a couple first rounders for losing the twin titans of Rafeal Soriano and Mike Gonzalez.

I'm honestly not picking on you Guru, you just got me started on how crappy the system is and the examples kinda find themselves.

Oh, and LaTroy Hawkins, Kevin Gregg and Mike Adams are all type A guys this year as well.

I'm almost scared to look at the starters.

Oh, I know the system is screwed up.

But I still think with everyone saying how great Cameron was, there was no way he'd be a Type B.

Not to mention that Elias is very regressive in terms of which stats they use, so Cameron's OBP isn't going to be properly valued against his BA. I'm sure they probably downgrade for strikeouts as well.

You really shouldn't read much of anything into these rankings other than the simple fact that they determine compensation, unfortunately.

brewguru:

And how did Coffey do in '08 compared to Lidge?

brewguru:

BenderTheOffender:

brewguru:

Cameron is a Type B?????

 

Everyone here was telling me all summer long how great this guy was.

 Guess not.

Can't tell if this is sarcastic. If it's not, then as stated above, the type A/B system is horrible, and Coffey is a B, while Brad Lidge is an A, although Lidge was terrible this season, and Coffey was very good.

 

And how did Coffey do in '08 compared to Lidge?

I could do more in depth, but just some surface stats

2008+2009: Coffey: 110.1 IP 40 ER .... 3.26 ERA     12HRs, 107H,  29 BBs, 80 Ks 1.23 WHIP

2008+2009 Lidge: 128IP 62 ER .... 4.36 ERA    13 HRs, 122 H, 69 BBs, 153 Ks, 1.49 WHIP

He's still more than a full point better in ERA than Lidge in both years combined. 

He has a lot better WHIP, and only trails in Ks.

Coffey has been better than Lidge over the last two years.

But you forgot saves!

ike1024:

But you forgot saves!

Brewers have 5 Class B FAs

The 2009 Elias Rankings are out and the Brewers have five Class  B free agents this off-season:

CF Mike Cameron
C Jason Kendall
INF Felipe Lopez
RHP Braden Looper
RHP David Weathers

There had been speculation that Lopez would be a Class A free agent but instead he came in as a Class B. Elias uses stats over a two-year period to rank players in each league.

Here's the deal with Class B free agents: If another team signs them, the Brewers would get a supplemental pick after the first round of the 2010 draft. The signing team would not have to forfeit a pick, making Class B free agents more attractive than Class A free agents, in that regard.

Here's the catch: To keep draft pick compensation in effect, the team has to offer salary arbitration to the free agent. And the free agent always could accept, making him a signed player for next season. Thus, if a player has a big contract, it's a risk to offer arbitration merely to keep draft pick compensation in effect.

So, the Brewers wouldn't offer arbitration to Cameron, who made $10 million last year. All of the others are possibilities, however. The Brewers still have to make a decision on a mutual option on Looper, with a deadline of Saturday. They didn't exercise the option on Weathers, making him a free agent, but he could still be offered arbitration.

The other Brewers free agents -- Craig Counsell, Frank Catalanotto, Claudio Vargas and Corey Patterson -- were not ranked. Of that group, I expect the Brewers to make offers to Vargas and Counsell. The Brewers paid for Counsell's arthroscopic knee surgery. They wouldn't do that if they didn't plan to bring him back, in my opinion.

I think we can pretty much gaurantee that Lopez will be offered arby and that Cameron won't be, but the other three are up in the air.

It does look like they can offer Weathers arby, but I'm have a feeling he can get more there than in FA, so he probably would accept, which probably makes it a no go.

If they decline the Looper option and still have the choice to offer him arby (sometimes there are clauses in contracts disallowing that) they probably could get away with that with him coming off the year he had last year. If he accepts, they can probably push for a reduction in salary, certainly settling for less than the option price. There is also a chance he could walk and we would get the pick.

Kendall I'm not sure on. He seems like the type who would take the FA to pursue a starting job elsewhere (since he's not getting that here) which should land them the comp pick.

Ultimately, if I had to put the over under on the number of samich picks the team is going to end up with, I think I would be temped to put it at 2.5, since there is one for sure pick coming (Lopez) and at least a couple plausible ones (Kendall, Looper) and one other possible one (weathers).

Einsteinhood:

I think we can pretty much gaurantee that Lopez will be offered arby and that Cameron won't be, but the other three are up in the air.

It does look like they can offer Weathers arby, but I'm have a feeling he can get more there than in FA, so he probably would accept, which probably makes it a no go.

If they decline the Looper option and still have the choice to offer him arby (sometimes there are clauses in contracts disallowing that) they probably could get away with that with him coming off the year he had last year. If he accepts, they can probably push for a reduction in salary, certainly settling for less than the option price. There is also a chance he could walk and we would get the pick.

Kendall I'm not sure on. He seems like the type who would take the FA to pursue a starting job elsewhere (since he's not getting that here) which should land them the comp pick.

Ultimately, if I had to put the over under on the number of samich picks the team is going to end up with, I think I would be temped to put it at 2.5, since there is one for sure pick coming (Lopez) and at least a couple plausible ones (Kendall, Looper) and one other possible one (weathers).